Hillary prayed at the shrine of the Muslim saint Muhammad Iqbal in Lahore today.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, second right, prays together with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, right, in front of the grave of the Poet Muhammad Iqbal, at the Iqbal Memorial in Lahore, Pakistan, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009. Clinton is on a three-day state visit to Pakistan. (AP)
Hillary also bashed Bush while she was speaking to university students.
The AP reported, via NewsBusters:
As a way of repudiating past U.S. policies toward Pakistan, Clinton told the students “there is a huge difference” between the Obama administration’s approach and that of former President George W. Bush. “I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him,” she said to a burst of applause from the audience of several hundred students. “So, to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”
October 29th, 2009 | 7:40 am | #1
Have these people no shame?
oh wait….
I do not understand how a Christain or a Jew could pray or even give the impression of praying in a Muslim place. Well, on second thought, I guess I would pray but if I was Hillary or any American woman there is no way I would wear a head scarf.
I find this incredibly sick. Just like Obama bowing.
October 29th, 2009 | 7:48 am | #2
what a great ideal of emancipated woman-hood -she’s wearing an hajib (sp) on her head again!!
October 29th, 2009 | 7:51 am | #3
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.” – Isaiah 45:6
October 29th, 2009 | 7:55 am | #4
“So, to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”
Hillary shows her racist liberal Democratic side.
And Islam is a false religion. Just a FYI.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:00 am | #5
disgrace.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:01 am | #6
Hasn’t Hillary said she is a Christian? Either she is or she ain’t – but a Christian does NOT “pray” at a muslim place.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:05 am | #7
It is inappropriate for the Secretary of State on an official visit to pray at the site of a Muslim “saint” — just as it would be inappropriate for the Secretary on official trip to pray at St. Peter’s in the Vatican or the Western Wall in Jerusalem. In these settings, on an official visit, she is not Hillary Clinton she is the United States of America.
But I’m willing to bet that if she visited Rome or Jerusalem she would not be seen praying at either St. Peter’s or the Wall.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:12 am | #8
Useful idiot alert.
Good to see such a dhimmi attitude from this fraud….as if such an attitude will actually work. It’s easy for ‘useful idiots’ such as this to project the blame on someone like Bush…makes them look ‘good’ whilst at the same time releasing them from ‘any blame’ whatsoever regarding the topic of terrorism, AFG, etc.
What a tool.
PS NICE get up, Hillary……next time try the BURQA and do us all a favour.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:14 am | #9
One of Bill Clinton’s role playing fantasies??
If Bill goes Muslim he can get 70 virgins. I really suspect they have run out but surely they still offer refurbished ones.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:18 am | #10
I was just reading an article on Debbie Schlussel about terror arrests and the killing of an iman yesterday. The article is a little convuluted but I suppose that is indictaive of the Muslim issue in Dearborn.
It’s a worthwhile read and after reading the picture of Hillary is even more ridiculous.
Check it out. We have a huge problem in this country, no one is really talking about and seeing Hillary praying to some Muslim something or other just illustrates what an impotent joke we are.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:19 am | #11
olm
October 29th, 2009 | 7:40 am | #1
You have to wear a head covering to see the Pope too. I don’t see what the issue is with the head scarf.
The “blame it on Bush” meme is getting so lame though. Why can’t these people of “daylight” just tell us of their successes and vision….er…well…ya.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:21 am | #12
What the heck? I never heard of someone praying at a different religion like this. Am I missing something here?
October 29th, 2009 | 8:23 am | #13
You do not have to wear a head covering in the Vatican or in Rome or in Italy……………..hello.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:29 am | #14
She bashed Bush? It was probably the only Obama-approved message she could get away with.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:35 am | #15
When she comes back to the US, people should print out the above photo and attach them to trees & light poles all along Pennsylvania avenue.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:35 am | #16
This woman is repulsive, and an embarrassment. I want to apologize to all normal Americans for her and the imposter sitting as President. You know he’s an imposter Clinton, you know it, and you covered for him, and promoted him. You are a disgrace not Bush, when are you going to realize how self serving and disgusting you are? Get here face off of the page please, I can’t look at her, between her and Obama, I don’t know who the ugliest is. TRAITOR!
October 29th, 2009 | 8:46 am | #17
Head covering is not a real issue. Praying to a muslim saint (I didn’t know there were any) is. Those writers who say she is representing the US are 100% correct. As such, she should visit (wear appropriate cloting if required) and that’s it. The message taken away from this by the rest of the Islamic world is that the US government is basically Islamic. It only fuels their belief that we, as a country, should not exist.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:47 am | #18
It’s not the head covering. This is done out of respect. It’s the prayer gesture that’s so disturbing. She’s making the gesture imitating Islamic practice. (Or is it for real?) When you go to the Western Wall or the Vatican, you dress and behave modestly. You might leave a note with a prayer or wish at the Wall, but you don’t pray.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:54 am | #19
olmNo Gravatar
October 29th, 2009 | 8:23 am | #13
The Vatican is not Rome, it’s a sovereign state. True, a woman does not have to cover her head in Rome or in the Vatican; however, there is something called protocol for an audience with the Pope – black dress (which in Europe was traditionally used for official affairs) and head covering… usually some sort of veil or mantilla.
Although I don’t support Hillary, she was following protocol in wearing the hijab.
Now as to her bashing Bush and saying she was always against him… that’s a lie (so what else is new with this administration and most politicians) … she opposed him when she wasn’t supporting him, as in voting for going into Iraq.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:57 am | #20
Well, for all we know she is praying to Jehovah God in the name of Jesus for the Muslim peoples to reject Islam and experience salvation through Christ.
However, and this is a big however, it is impossible for us to know beyond doubt what is in her mind and heart. If she is just mimicking her Muslim hosts for political reasons, it seems plausible that they would view that as hypocritical or worse.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:58 am | #21
Even Hillary is still campaigning against Bush. These people are truly pathetic.
Afghanistan is slipping away, Pakistan may be next. Iran is closing in on a functional nuclear weapons delivery system and all these morons can do is trash Bush whenever they can.
“Wise people talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”-Plato
October 29th, 2009 | 9:08 am | #22
No, this is all wrong. There isn’t something I’m missing. Looking at her, with her hands like that – that is just wrong.
You don’t pray at other people’s shrines with your hands like that if you don’t share their religion.
I agree with the earlier poster – they are likely to view this as hypocritical or deliberately deceitful. (Or, with luck, just foolish and entirely ignorant of protocol.)
October 29th, 2009 | 9:19 am | #23
Stop jumping, folks. Maybe Hilary is praying for the conversion of the heathen Muslims. Remember the Eighth Commandment which requires us to put the best construction on things.
October 29th, 2009 | 9:24 am | #24
She would look better in a burqa … But how does she get to pray with the men?
October 29th, 2009 | 9:26 am | #25
An unescorted woman(?) in a mosque and nobody is throwing stones at her?
October 29th, 2009 | 9:58 am | #26
speaking of “whores” ….
October 29th, 2009 | 10:21 am | #27
Praying to a Muslim saint, bashing Bush. She really has become Obama’s b*tch.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:35 am | #28
She didn’t oppose him in the Iraq War, so already she is a big liar. I love the hijab – so suiting to a dhimmi/useful idiot.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:38 am | #29
Christians don’t pray to Muslim shrines. If Hillary was ever a real Christian, she has apostatized herself.
I guess no one believes in Hell anymore.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:45 am | #30
Hillary is wearing the hijab so as not to inflame the male population who demand all women wear a hijab or else. Hillary isn’t doing it out of respect – she is dhimmifying herself to Islam, like all good Muslim women are forced to do.
October 29th, 2009 | 11:25 am | #31
Yes…going and bowing down to the future Antichrist system….very smart.
“Praying to a muslim saint (I didn’t know there were any) is.”
Only saints so far as the devil is concerned.
October 29th, 2009 | 11:27 am | #32
The Honor of our the State Department is at a new low.This trifecta of Obama , Biden and Clinton is more akin to the three stooges than serious leaders.These people profess to know every thing but know nothing.
October 29th, 2009 | 11:55 am | #33
Where is all the crazy suicide bombers when you need them?
October 29th, 2009 | 11:58 am | #34
She could wear a neat little hat and cover her head for cultural sensitivity without submitting.
The cultural ignorance here is jaw-dropping, but many Hillary supporters don’t know how this stuff works, so they delude themselves into thinking “what’s the big deal?”
There are ways to finesse this, ESPECIALLY if one is in at OFFICIAL function. Ceremonial niceities are engineered to show respect without betraying one’s self or nation. Touring around important national sites is standard official duties for State Department. Hillary ignoring or kicked out the career protocol people or what?
It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t for the fact she’s the FACE of US Foreign Policy, so it’s pathetic. Since Hillary doesn’t know squat about actual religions, she looks like a Hindu praying at a Muslim shrine.
Brilliant! Then she’ll show up here with Bill’s chunk-a-lunk display Bible or a rolled up Torah over her shoulder, cause she carries one around in her purse “all the time, you know?” Yah! We’re fooled!
Saint Hillary! The Smartest Woman in America!
Spouse Hire-Spouse Hire-Spouse Hire
When it finally dawns on the PUMAs that any ONE of them has more professional poise and work experience than Hillary, then we’ll start seeing reality injected into this nonsense.
October 29th, 2009 | 12:07 pm | #35
AAA has its november newspaper out. It tells a story of a man hiking across country with a notebook to collect messages from the “people” to obama. Naturally it includes a nasty remark about the last eight years. AAA has turned into a lousy business with a political slant….perhaps it is time to find another service.
October 29th, 2009 | 12:32 pm | #36
I think the name of the city “Lahore” Pakistan should be changed to “LaGrayson” Pakistan.
October 29th, 2009 | 12:38 pm | #37
[...] Kerry to Law Library of Congress: “revise recent history, please,” so that it may conform to our worldview. Grayson: Says GOP are “knuckle-dragging neanderthals who want to dictate to America.” He says that in the face of daily (and strong) evidence suggesting that it is the Democrat party, now the establishment, who is telling America what it is going to take, regardless of what it actually wants. Hillary: Blithering fool [...]
October 29th, 2009 | 12:53 pm | #38
Shouldn’t there be a facecovering also.??
October 29th, 2009 | 1:03 pm | #39
I am blown away. These people are representing us throughout the world. Stop the madness!
October 29th, 2009 | 1:39 pm | #40
Screw religion. It poisons everything including this blog.
October 29th, 2009 | 1:44 pm | #41
To whom or for whom is she praying? I thought communist did not believe in God? Aren’t they all atheist? Whats with the headscarf thingy? She must really hate being Obama’s little toady.
October 29th, 2009 | 2:40 pm | #42
This is sickening. Shocking, but just another Obama loser. Hillary should have stayed home.
October 29th, 2009 | 2:56 pm | #43
How the mighty have fallen. Hillary is now Obama’s lapdog. The representatives of the most powerful nation on earth apologise for its very existence. Have Clinton and Obama no self-respect?
October 29th, 2009 | 3:48 pm | #44
It’s pathetic…
1. Sec. Hillary Clinton is being utterly dishonest by saying, “I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him (GW Bush)”. No, in fact she voted for the use of force in Iraq, authorizing the mission, in full support of the Bush Administration, using some of the most aggressive language in the Senate to justify this Military Operation.
2. Sec. Hillary Clinton again provides the overwhelming hypocrisy the Democratic Party has now become famous for, as the evidence shows the Clinton Administration – President Bill Clinton, refused to take custody of Osama Bin Laden on at least two known separate occasions. How dare Mrs. Clinton be critical of the Pakistani Government in this sophomoric manner, complaining about their failures to capture or kill Al Qaeda terrorists?
3. Sec. Hillary Clinton reveals a bizarre sense of ignorance regarding the current state of the GWOT. It could be another a poor attempt to distort the record of the prior Administration’s efforts in capturing and killing Al Qaeda, implying falsely no one who was behind 9-11 has been brought to justice. It is estimated, the Bush Administration eliminated some 75% of Al Qaeda after 9-11. But maybe this Obama Cabinet Member who is a principal “smart power” player, simply does not know who is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay. Perhaps Hillary Clinton doesn’t even know who Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is? The self-described mastermind of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?
October 29th, 2009 | 4:13 pm | #45
Seven, Bill Clinton would enthusiastically turn Moslem if they (the Moslems) gave him those 70 virgins while he’s still alive…
October 29th, 2009 | 4:16 pm | #46
olm
October 29th, 2009 | 8:23 am | #13
If your to meet the Pope you do. You also have to women also have to wear skirts/dresses below the knee. Actually, just visiting the Vatican in cut-offs will get you the hairy eyeball.
Here is a picture of Michelle Obama wearing her veil to meet the Pope.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/michelle-obama-at-the-vat_n_229507.html
October 29th, 2009 | 4:21 pm | #47
oops, not proofreading apparently.
October 29th, 2009 | 4:21 pm | #48
Why is this exactly a problem?
When I go into someone else’s house I respect their culture and customs. Even though I’m an atheist I bow my head before having dinner while they say grace at their table.
This is just a political version of that.
My GOD you people have no idea how international politics work.
Furthermore you have no concept of politeness.
Ms. Manners would have a heart attack if she read the vitriol in this thread.
SHAME ON YOU!
October 29th, 2009 | 4:24 pm | #49
It;s still not as cool as Bush Jr. holding hands and skipping down the sidewalk with Bandar. Ahh, good times.
October 29th, 2009 | 4:43 pm | #50
Well, I’m not a big fan of any religion, but as someone who has studied them all, I can tell you that her hands are held in a stuided Christian pose. You can see that the Muslims in the picture are holding their hands differently.
I’m pretty sure that most Christians agree that you can pray anywhere you damn well please, whether you’re standing in your own religious institution or not. So I hardly think she’s “praying at a different religion”, as one mouthbreather in this comment thread suggested.
October 29th, 2009 | 5:02 pm | #51
I like to look at the missed opportunity on occasions like this – call me a cynic. Now, wouldn’t it have been great to see a U.S. Secretary of State make the sign of the cross before ducking into a Muslim shrine – like some people do when passing a cemetery? THAT would take cojones! Is John Bolton Catholic?
October 29th, 2009 | 7:30 pm | #52
Stupid bitch!
October 29th, 2009 | 7:55 pm | #53
This is the woman who wondered who painted Our Lady of Guadalupe. Let’s not take her religious gestures too seriously.
October 29th, 2009 | 8:16 pm | #54
Yes, she spent all 8 years opposing him……except for that pesky AYE vote to use force against Iraq, which really ultimately cost her her Presidential ambitions.
Ooopsie
October 29th, 2009 | 8:27 pm | #55
In International Diplomacy, poses and pictures have consequences. Hillary does NOT understand this. She has no background in international relations and obviously doesn’t do her homework, too smart evidently for mere studying, and thus, looks like a WEAK, NO-NOTHING APPEASER.
She should be studying how Queen Elizabeth handles these things. How about Prince -What’s his name – Charles. Hands clasped BEHIND the back, looking politely interested.
And astute diplomats REFUSE all sorts of photo opportunities if they think the occasions are not appropriate. THIS occasion could have been declined politely for some other photo op, like a children’s school, a safe, perennial favorite.
Hillary is NOT there for her own ego; she is SUPPOSED to be representing the USA. Hillary does not have any sense as to what to do or not do.
Americans were not well-served by that scene, not at all. Which will be broadcast and printed all over the Arab and Muslim world.
October 29th, 2009 | 9:56 pm | #56
Now hold on folks. How is it that you all are so uptight and outraged? John Paul II kissed the Holy Koran and invited Muslims as well as witch doctors and a whole variety of pagans to pray to their gods in Catholic Churches (world day of Assisi). Vatican II says that Muslims worship the same God as Christians. Mother Theresa wanted people to become better Muslims, Hindus, etc. and had little interest in converting people to Christ. So what gives? What’s with the hypocrisy?
October 29th, 2009 | 9:59 pm | #57
Stacy, you say:
“Christians don’t pray to Muslim shrines. If Hillary was ever a real Christian, she has apostatized herself.
I guess no one believes in Hell anymore.”
That would make both Pope JPII and Benedict XVI apostates and arguably Mother Theresa as well. In fact, that would make the Roman Church apostate as well.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:11 pm | #58
Nice to see you right wingers are still holding to your principles in calling people who criticize the president of the U.S. unpatriotic…unless, of course, it’s the current president, in which case you cheer on Glenn Beck, Rick Perry, and pundits who call for a military coup.
Can’t you be a bit less naked in your hypocrisy?
October 29th, 2009 | 10:42 pm | #59
He’s not a saint. He was a poet and philosopher. Its quite common for foreign delegations to visit the graves of great men of the countries that they visit. Allama Iqbal wrote his greatest work in response to Goethe’s West-östlicher Diwan. But judging from the comments, people on this site wouldn’t know who, or what that is.
So once again, not a Saint, a poet and philosopher. I like how none of you bothered to google Allama Iqbal, you just blindly froth any chance you get.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:50 pm | #60
I don’t understand what the issue is of her going through the motions. allah, god, zeus, christ or whatever deity – they’re all man created myths worshipped by those who are unwilling to accept the cycle of life and death, and realize they’re responsible for their own happiness and/or misery. Christian, Muslin, Jew, Pagan, Hindu – its all the same, the sooner people realize it the less death and destruction in the name of god there will be. Religion is no different than rooting for your favorite sports team although a lot of people seem to die in war for no apparent reason based on religious Bull S*. For those that think I overstate it, try to explain/justify the Salem witch trials, the inquisition, the crusades, the middle east conflicts, the Vatican’s actions during WW II or any of the other myriad of religious conflicts and massacres all fought over whether or not someone was on the correct team. Pitiful to read the comments from so called “spiritual” or “pious” types damning/condemning anyone and everyone who has views/beliefs different then their own. You’re no different than the pathetic islamic radicals who believe only their religion is correct.
October 29th, 2009 | 10:58 pm | #61
@Joseph Schneider
There is a clear litmus test for whether or not someone is actually Christian or is motivated by political correctness. Christ warned to ‘beware of false prophets.’ By that definition, Mohamed is a false prophet and Islam is the result of false, if not more likely Satanic influence. If one believes that Islam is based on the same God as Christianity and Judaism, than one diverts from biblical teaching, either out of political correctness or out of a belief in ‘harmony,’ seemingly forgetting the concept of Hell. The Koran itself is a bastardization of the Old Testament/Torah which leads me to believe that it is Satanically inspired.
In short, if you believe Islam to be on the same level as Judaism and Christianity, your not a Christian.
October 29th, 2009 | 11:46 pm | #62
To all the haters: Did Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, not wear head scarf. Don’t your nuns coverup? Whats wrong if Hillary did it to pay respect at a holy place.
As for paying respects at a muslim shrine, this is not the shrine of any ordinary person. It is the tomb of the poet-philosopher who dreamed Pakistan into existence. Iqbal was knighted by the British monarch for his majestic poetry. Here I share a translation of a few lines of his from Asrar-e-Khudi (Secrets of the Self):
The loveliness of Shirin justifies the anguish of Farhad.
One fragrant navel justifies a hundred musk-deer.
‘Tis the fate of moths to consume in flame:
The suffering of moths is justified by the candle.
The pencil of the Self limped a hundred to-days
In order to achieve the dawn of a single morrow.
More at:
http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/persian/asrar/translation/index.htm
October 30th, 2009 | 12:59 am | #63
RyanNo Gravatar
October 29th, 2009 | 7:51 am | #3
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.” – Isaiah 45:6
You make me laugh, you know that is from the Jewish holy books?
October 30th, 2009 | 1:08 am | #64
Christians who read that and dont become Jews are just completely wacky creatures.
October 30th, 2009 | 9:33 am | #65
Stephen,
So you are saying that the Roman Catholic Church is not a christian church? That Pope John Paul II was not a true Christian?
From Vatican II:
“But the
* plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in
* the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold
* the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one,
* merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. “
October 30th, 2009 | 9:34 am | #66
More from Vatican II:
“3. The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship
* God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the
* Creator of heaven and earth,[1] who has also spoken to men. They
* strive to submit themselves without reserve to the bidden decrees of
* God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith
* Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God,
* they worship Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor,
* and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of
* judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead.
* For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God,
* especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.
*
* Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between
* Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to
* forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve
* mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together
* preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.”
November 1st, 2009 | 9:30 am | #67
Disgraceful! Is there anyone with so much as an ounce, a thimble full of brains in this administration? Pandering to islamist’s will not win points for America. There might be enormous gain by hillary’s choices while in the presence of her muslim hosts…of course, the “gain” is “all” theirs.
We need to boot these idiots out of Washington and get someone, anyone, with an ants worth of intelligence in office. I could be completely wrong though….what if they are not “idiots?” What if, what if….? That alternative is looking more and more plausible by the hour.
November 1st, 2009 | 10:01 am | #68
Teri,
Should we boot all those folks out of the Vatican II? You know, the VII council fathers who pandered to Islamicists?
November 1st, 2009 | 12:37 pm | #69
Seriously, this is a Catholic journal. If the Catholic Church could teach positive things about Islam and if the Popes could pay respect to Islam, even going beyond what I could do (kissing the Koran), then why the outrage when someone who isn’t even Catholic prays and shows respect at a Muslim grave? No one has answered my question yet.
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