Last night President Obama refused to apologize for his administration’s petty attacks against FOX News.
He said its not something he loses any sleep over.
Via Greta
Do you believe that?
Earlier this week Obama spent two and a half hours with two far left reporters from MSNBC and three reporters from the far left The New York Times to strategize about controlling the president’s image and message.
Bill O’Reilly told the his audience last night that, “Obama is fighting harder against FOX News than he is the Taliban.”
O’Reilly’s right. Its time for president Obama to start focusing on creating jobs and winning against the terrorists instead of attacking his few opponents in the media.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:27 am | #1
I cannot believe that he cannot see the startling hypocrisy. It really makes me wonder if he is as smart as I used to think he was.
Obama has a meeting to coordinate his coverage with the most sympathetic voices he can find.
Fox News is some sort of wing of the GOP but msnbc and his print media buddies are somehow just fair and impartial journalists trying to get at the truth no matter where the chips may fall.
I wish I could have been a fly on the wall just to hear how many times Madcow and Olbergoof kept saying “Yes sir…Oh absolutely sir….whatever you need sir….no problem Mr. President….oh I know, I hate that guy too…”
I heard that after the meeting that Obama fed Olbermann a biscuit and said “Good boy”
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:30 am | #2
Do you believe that?
Yes. Yes I do.
Barack Obama has shown himself to have no moral center, no conscience. His life’s goal has been the seeking of power, and now that he has it his goal is to keep it. Dissent can not be tolerated.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:31 am | #3
He’s not losing sleep over anything. You really think he cares that folks are losing their jobs, homes, we’re losing the war, and our country?
Do you all really think he cares? Nope, he sleeps like a baby every night.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:37 am | #4
Jim, can you explain how a handful of comments by White House officials keep the administration from focusing on fighting terrorism and creating jobs?
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:41 am | #5
I love van Susteren’s wording at the beginning of the clip: The White House “conspired” to take on Fox News.
Yeah, they’re a fair and balanced news outlet, sure.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:41 am | #6
I only apologize for America. That makes me popular around the world. Can’t you see how well that’s working?—zero
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:43 am | #7
ken, you got a little left on your chin.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:01 am | #8
Yeah, they’re a fair and balanced news outlet, sure.
As opposed to those paragons of unbiased reporting, CNN and MSNBC.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:06 am | #9
Fox News is on the front line in the cultural war we are engaged in. I cannot think of better combat veterans than our Fox News Fighters, but I am sure the Armed Forces would rightly disagree. Fox News is the only stability that overseas allies see in America. Even troll-like Chavez says the obama maoists are under-equipped to handle such a force.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:14 am | #10
I don’t understand the irony in your ironic comment, Ken. What’s unbalanced or unfair about calling the WH effort “cospiritorial”. 1 guy thinking about stomping on a news outlet is premeditation, 2 guys planning to stomp on a news outlet is a conspiricay:•a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot). Are you sayig that Team Rhamobama all (each) INDEPENDENTLY decided to attack FOX?
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:16 am | #11
Article Headlines: “Obama Won’t Apologize For Attacks On FOX News – Claims He Doesn’t Lose Sleep Over It”
I don’t really understand the point of the article. That’s like saying, “The sun is HOT.” or “The moon is sometimes a bright object in the sky.”.
Obama ‘rules’ rather than governs and it’s obvious that the only real issue upon his mind is his own ideas — everything else is dust under his feet. Does anyone reading this comment consider the dust they walked on this morning?
I guess I would consider Obama a ‘modern’ man, those who’ve thrown off the restrictions of moral absolutes, God, traditional society and embraced whatever they can conceive in that mass of cells betwixt their ears. Hopefully America will not encounter any real crisis (needing immediate action) during Obama’s 8 years of rule – or we may end up with a tyrant on our hands..
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:18 am | #12
Apologize? Hah!
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”
RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep
the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:18 am | #13
liberasabide, an insult is not a rebuttal. As I said on the First Thoughts blog, Obama would have a better case if he acknowledged that much of MSNBC’s coverage is no less biased. But van Greteren actually made Obama’s case.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:21 am | #14
Sequoia, I’m sure the attack was coordinated. But I’m saying that whether or not is was wise for the White House to knock Fox, there was nothing criminal or sinister about it.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:24 am | #15
to apologize for anything would mean he was
wrong….and you’ll never see that happening…..
in a world of competing personality disorders…
http://www.bing.com/health/article.aspx?id=articles%2fmayo%2fFB82A42F61CBD3BD0984F719B564350F.html&br=lv&q=personality+disorders&FORM=K1RE
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:35 am | #16
He said its not something he loses any sleep over.
He soon will be.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:40 am | #17
All of the time and energy spent with these comments on a news organization that has had a motto of ‘Fair and Balanced’ only shows the degree of Presidents Obama’s belief. As with other people around the world today, his strong ‘belief’ blinds the President to the fact that he is raising Fox news to his level by his personel involvment. I can have enough self reflection to understand that my strongly conservative views are, unfortunately, ‘right’ of center. As i listen and read comments from the left (read: socialist) view point, they are so totaly blinded that they will not even entertain the fact that they hold a minority view. A case in point is the Democrats view on raising taxes to increase revenues. They do not look at the results after a tax hike and after a tax cut. They truly believe that only raising taxes will increase the coffers. The Presidents actions, on a daily basis, demonstrate the level of his beliefs and commitment to HIS cause, not to America.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:41 am | #18
Jennifer, I sleep like a baby every night thinking about this administration. I wake up every 2 hours and cry.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:44 am | #19
Ken, more than one person working together on an attack constitutes a conspiracy.
Unless Obama’s cronies decided independently to go out and attack Fox news at the same time, this administration has conspired to attack Fox News. The end.
Obama can’t say anything negative about MSNBC less he lose their undying support.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:45 am | #20
“Ridicule is man’s most powerful weapon.”-Alinsky
Learn it, live it, love it!!!
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:46 am | #21
Ken,
I don’t think it’s keeping them from focusing on fighting terrorism or creating jobs.
I think it’s meant to keep us from focusing on the fact that they are not fighting terrorism and creating jobs.
Where’s the decision on Afghanistan and what are they waiting for? Where are the jobs?
It’s a distraction that the administration created.
I don’t care what the Obama administration thinks of Fox News. The fact they want to sit down and talk with the president of Iran and they will not talk with critics at Fox News is pathetic on their part but unless they move to censor their critics, it’s just more noise from a petty group of staffers and advisors.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:55 am | #22
Ken
I don’t think it’s sinister, it just shows the radical tactics of this radical administration based on the Chicago way. And it is all about control of the citizens instead of governance.
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:58 am | #23
Oh and Ken that’s what tyranny is…..
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:59 am | #24
is there anything that Obama could decide on Afghanistan that gateway Pundit would support? Honest Question. If Obama, comes out and follows McChrystal’s reccomendations for more troops and states that this conflict might take 10-20 years, do you think Gateway would have numerous posts praising Obama for strong leadership? Or at the very least supporting him?
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:02 am | #25
Tass,
You said “the fact they want to sit down and talk with the president of Iran and they will not talk with critics at Fox News is pathetic on their part….”
What is your solution for Iran? Okay you are against negotiating, then what? There are no easy answers with Iran.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:06 am | #26
Matthew
Just a little off topic and a straw man. The point on this thread is about this administrations inability to face dissent in an open way. Because they only know the Chicago way……the Alinsky way.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:08 am | #27
Matthew,
I can’t talk for Gateway Pundit but I’d support him.
I guess the one thing you do not understand is country first.
Democrats are having a tough time understanding who the enemy is. It’s not Fox News, it’s not the Republicans and it is certainly not the CIA. It’s all those who are still actively looking to attack us.
I have my doubts about what we can accomplish in Afghanistan but it is not in any American’s interest to see us fail.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:09 am | #28
Eric,
you are correct…..(and I hate also how threads go off topic).
But no strawman…..I am concerend about the spinelessness of journalists in general. Starting with the Clinton Administration and continuing with the Bush administration and now the Obama we have no journalists who hold politicians accountable.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:11 am | #29
tass,
I agree with you completely. (don’t wnat to go off topic so we can continue this on more relevant thread in the future) :)
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:12 am | #30
Ken
I agree about the general state of journalism.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:13 am | #31
Matthew, I’m sure Jim would praise Obama’s decision to follow his field general’s request. Since A) Obama said in his campaign that Bush didn’t send enough troops there to begin with, and B) Rhambo is taking credit for Bush’s new plan for the Afghan war anyway.
Why would a president that wasn’t a petty, thin-skinned hypocrite give two
shitsabout what Fox News says anyway?The guy is the leader of the what used to be the free world. You’d think he’d expect some negative press every once in awhile.
He comes across as a narcissistic, elitist, thug rather than a LEADER.
Bring the country together! Why doesn’t he try embracing the right rather than allowing people to call them “teabaggers” and saying Fox News isn’t legit?
His “Safe Schools” Czar said it isn’t bad to kill someone for calling you names. Does that only count if you are a lefty?
WHAT IS GOING ON IN DC?
Get real.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:15 am | #32
And I assure you I won’t lose sleep when we send Obama packing in 2012.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:36 am | #33
Opus, who is it going to be?
You guys should love it that Obama doesn’t like Fox News. Why does it bug you?
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:42 am | #34
Martin, it’s time for a diaper change and your ba-ba!
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:44 am | #35
This is really petty in the grand scheme of things. The Copenhagen Treaty is looming and will be the single act of Obama that will crush our Freedoms by overriding the Constitution.
He and his minions would be tried for treason 200 years ago.
We have no intestinal fortitude to make such a move now, so we deserve what we get.
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:52 am | #36
Enough about Ken; he’s been marginalized.
Let’s just call it a concentrated, concerted effort to minimalize the impact and public persona of FOX News.
“Hey everyone, let’s all hate Fox, ok?”
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:00 am | #37
Rush Limbaugh lives rent free inside of Barrys head.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:05 am | #38
Martin
Bug us? I don’t think it bugs us. If anything it shines light on this administration and it’s tactics. If anything, it emboldens us because it shows everyone the shortcomings of the progressives in charge to debate openly. They can’t abide criticism and dissent so they fall back on the only strategy they know. And that is to marginalize and ridicule.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:12 am | #39
About time:
October 21, 2009
Leno Makes Obama Look Like An Idiot: ‘President Obama Today Agreed To Commit An Additional 40,000 To Fight Fox News’ . . .Also Makes Fun Of Odogma’s ‘Mop’ Line.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/leno-makes-obama-look-like-an-idiot-president-obama-today-agreed-to-commit-an-additional-40000-to-fi.html
Great Speech by Mr Chaney:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/cheneys_speech_tonight_1.asp#more
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:13 am | #40
Keep digging, Ø. The more you whine, the more viewers Fox gets. Keep it up. All you’re doing is guaranteeing you are a 1 termer and your cronies will get booted along with you.
Remember folks, our time to toss these rodents starts next year!!! (or in some cases, this year)
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:22 am | #41
Magnum, do you recognize no difference between “conspire” and “decide”? The administration broke no laws and did nothing unethical in calling a spade a spade. Even some of the posters here compare Fox to MSNBC and CNN on the other side, indicating, though not admitting, that they’re all in the opinion business.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:25 am | #42
NeoKong
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:27 am 1
I cannot believe that he cannot see the startling hypocrisy.
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the Narcissist Personality Disorder never does. He’s right, he’s not losing sleep over it. He’s losing his mind over it. For him to actuallly say it himself instead of letting his minions, just shows he is barely holding in his uncontrolled rage over being “challenged”. The NPD can not handle ANY kind of critisism, never mind never admitting he is wrong. Oh yes, he will destroy himself rather than let it go. That is the NPD at work
Of course no one is misisng the 3rd rate carny huckster is trying to divert attention from his trainwreck of Deathcare as well.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:28 am | #43
TaSS, I wish Obama would go on Fox for his own sake, in order to reach its viewers, but his chances of softening his professional critics there are nil. On the other hand, it’s always wise to try negotiating before imposing sanctions. The decision on Afghanistan is taking awhile because Obama has no good choices, and that’s arguably in part Bush’s fault.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:33 am | #44
I don’t think it’s sinister, it just shows the radical tactics of this radical administration based on the Chicago way. And it is all about control of the citizens instead of governance.
Eric, I mean no disrespect, but I don’t see an argument there, only an assertion. What is radical and Chicago-style about criticism? And how is attempting to influence opinion attempting to control?
This blog is full of what look to be regurgitated right-wing radio talking points.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:37 am | #45
Stacy
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:44 am
Stacy, have you signed the petition not to sign the treaty? I have their website if not. This is what we need to focus on.
And the Global Poverty Act that has been in the Senate for years?
I email letters to all 100 Senators for the good it will do.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:44 am | #46
No doubt Fox is losing a little sleep over this. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to keep the stories coming when you’re the last free news network. But they’re pretty well compensated by that nasty old capitalist profit.
One wonders if Obama will tax Fox to top up the liberal legacy media’s failing revenues?
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:49 am | #47
Having been around for over 70 years, this is the first time I have really seen a president, much more then Nixon, go after and marginalize a news network. Yes a news network. This reminds me of William Shirer’s book “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, and how Joseph Goebbels took over and molded the news. I would think the other news outlets might have second thoughts about their “slobbering love affair”, they might be next.
October 22nd, 2009 | 8:56 am | #48
Ken
None taken. However I was merely stating an observation of tactics. Do you deny the use of Alinsky tactics of marginalizing opponents instead of honest debate with the current administration?
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:01 am | #49
FOX- A news network?
Khanski- if FOX was a “news network” you would have a great point. However, the sole purpose of FOX is to be a propaganda outlet for the Right. Why should Obama have anything to do with them? I’ve watched FOX news. They lie and distort every story in the exact same way this blog does. You probably think this blog is unbiased though.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:03 am | #50
Matthew – ditto those who would say that Jim would praise Obama for fighting Afghanistan to win.
If he got off his duff and held true to his pre-presidential rhetoric, that Afghanistan is the war “we have to win,” well, then those massive numbers of us in flyover country would back him up.
That’s one of the big differences between libs vs. Bush and conservatives vs. Obama. Libs cut down Bush regardless of what he did. We cut down Obama when we believe he’s doing harm/damage, but will — and WANT TO — support him when he’s doing right. Following the generals’ advice and fighting Afghanistan to win will mean that, at least on the war, we conservatives would have his back.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:04 am | #51
“Magnum, do you recognize no difference between “conspire” and “decide”? The administration broke no laws and did nothing unethical in calling a spade a spade.”
I didn’t say they did anything illegal. Clearly the Chief of Staff and others got together and decided (ie conspired) to denigrate Fox News.
“Even some of the posters here compare Fox to MSNBC and CNN on the other side, indicating, though not admitting, that they’re all in the opinion business.”
Then why didn’t the President or the Chief of Staff indicate (if not admit) that MSNBC, like Fox, is opinionated?
What is the purpose of this decision (ie conspiracy) to single out Fox? What goal do they seek other than to come across as petty?
Why can’t you see the issue here?
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:05 am | #52
Why don’t you just have a general be president then?
Generals are not always right.
No one has ever “won” in Afghanistan. What makes you think things will be different for us. What does “winning” even mean?
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:06 am | #53
By the way, ask Pat Tillman’s family what they think about Gen. Mcchrystal’s judgement.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:08 am | #54
Joe
When you make ignorant statements like that you lose all credibility. Your just repeating false talking points. One might assume you are Anita Dunn using the pen name”joe”.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:10 am | #55
Eric, I’m willing to be shown, but I don’t see it. Speaking of debate, Obama is all over the tube and NPR trying to sell his health plan, and his allies and advisors are too, subjecting themselves to bad questions. And what’s wrong with trying to marginalize your opponents if you believe in what you’re doing?
I haven’t read Rules for Radicals, but I think everyone in Washington has read Machiavelli.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:19 am | #56
“No one has ever “won” in Afghanistan. What makes you think things will be different for us. What does “winning” even mean?”
Ask your lord god almighty Obama. He’s the WON who said that’s the war to focus on.
One could argue the only way to win would be to kill all the Taliban. Because that is the Taliban’s sole purpose these days: to kill those who aren’t like them.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:24 am | #57
I don’t agree with anything just because Obama says it. I have a mind of my own thank you very much. Just because idiots on here think that anyone who doesn’t agree with them is some sort of “Obama cultist” does not mean it is true. Wake up dumb ass.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:25 am | #58
Ken
If you look at the whole package of the Obama admin and the progressive left there is an underlying theme of larger government, greater control of our daily lives, so called social justice and so on. You seem to be a reasoned liberal thinker. But what your not seeing is the great deceit that is underlying the progressive movement. For example Obama’s health care debate. He has stated clearly in the past that he is a proponent of a single payer system, all in, none out. Then denies that he’s for that. It may be too late before you “see it”.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:26 am | #59
Personally, I’m sick of the democrats being pussies. I’m really happy to see that they are finally standing up occasionally and calling out propagandists like FOX news.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:29 am | #60
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October 22nd, 2009 | 9:38 am | #62
Clearly the Chief of Staff and others got together and decided (ie conspired) to denigrate Fox News.
At this point I have to assume you’re playing dumb.
Here’s Merriam-Websters’ #!1 definition of “conspiracy”: to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement.
Van Susteren knew exactly what she was trying to imply and subliminally suggest to her less astute viewers, as so do you.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:50 am | #63
Hello! What was the ’sports metaphor’ for? Mud wrestling? So, the interview starts with ’something stupid.” And, it goes on “stupidly” from there. Wee wee.
Obama’s not losing sleep? Maybe, he’s using Ambien?
Good for Greta! And, great for Fox News. While for some reason the entire media ‘establishment’ has decided Breitbart’s Philly story is GOING NOWHERE!
How is that gonna work out in the long run?
Obama’s sport is WAFFLE BALL.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:54 am | #64
It’s hilarious how the “Joe the Plumber” type conservatives definition of deliberation is “waffling”. If any of you had an education, you would realize that the purpose of education is to teach you how to “waffle” instead of make “gut decisions” like GW Bush.
October 22nd, 2009 | 9:55 am | #65
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October 22nd, 2009 | 9:57 am | #66
Joe says he has a mind of his own and then spits out a slew of communist talking points like a good little slave of the party.
Joe says he wants the democrats to stop being… Like a good communist Joe wants all dissent ,regardless of how valid that dissent is to safe guard our freedom, silenced.
Joe is a good communist party member right comrade?
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:03 am | #67
“Earlier this week Obama spent two and a half hours with two far left reporters from MSNBC and three reporters from the far left The New York Times to strategize about controlling the president’s image and message.”
And yet, he can only spare twenty (20!) minutes while on a junket to Copenhagen to confer with the general that he’s put in charge of the war in Afghanistan. (That’s the IMPORTANT war, according to obama.)
And then all he did was whine and snivel because Gen, McChrystal had made a public statement about what was needed to fight the *important* war.
Talk about living proof of the validity of the Peter Principle.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:05 am | #68
People should start facing reality – Obama doesn’t care about creating jobs or fighting terrorists, so don’t be expecting anything good to be happening in those departments.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:06 am | #69
what do you mean by communism? Like USSR communism?
If by communism you mean regulating capitalism (like it always has been in to various degrees in this county), then I guess. Unfettered capitalism is what destroyed manufacturing in this country. We used to have factories until Reagan made it ok for “capitalists” to manufacture off shore. Sorry, but unfettered capitalism is dangerous.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:08 am | #70
The day will come when obama won`t have a choice but to appear on Fox.The progressive/communists will spin it as a brave move on his part and a bipartisan break through. When that day comes heads like comrade joes will explode.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:13 am | #71
Comrade Joe Cuba is calling you home. You hate capitalism Cuba is the place for you. You want socialized health care Cuba is the home for you.You want 24/7 biased news Cuba is home for you.You want Big Brother on every corner Cuba is home for you. You want thought crimes Cuba is home for you. .
With all these grand options why arent you there yet?
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:14 am | #72
It’s really unbelievable how uninformed you people are. It’s the reason I come here… to observe the stupidity. Keep up the
sh*twork!October 22nd, 2009 | 10:15 am | #73
I don’t remember saying anything that praised Cuba. you people are so misinformed that if anyone mentions that perhaps unfettered capitalism has caused harm to this country, you tell them to move to Cuba? What the F is that? Stupidity…
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:17 am | #74
For a man who isn’t losing any sleep over Fox news and Talk Radio — he seems consumed by it. At least Michelle is keeping busy with her Hula Hoop. Eleanor Roosevelt would be rolling over in her grave.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:17 am | #75
And by the way… contrary to what you believe, this country has not been “capitalist” at any time in modern history. In fact, all of your beloved corporations would have failed if it wasn’t for the gov’t bailing them out. You call that capitalism? Guess what… you don’t live in a “capitalist” country and you never have.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:42 am | #76
Who Else Has Obama Endorsed?
To whom can America turn in these troubled times, as Hope and Change appear to be foundering? We can turn to Obama for answers!
Having explained to us that Fox News cannot be trusted, Obama has taken the additional and important step of endorsing certain pundits, opinion leaders, and “journalists” as President Approved. Who is on the honor roll?
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/10/who-else-has-obama-endorsed.html
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:42 am | #77
This is the “dumbing down” of our Office of the President. I hope that some day the lefties will realize that the Office of the President does not belong to them. It belongs to the people of the United States. All of them now serving in the White House serve at our bidding. We can end it. And it will happen.
I have a feeling that the lefties are going to find that out the wrong way that they have pushed the envelope way too far. Like in about 2 weeks.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:43 am | #78
Reading Solaratov’s (#67) quote about the two and a half hours Obama spent with MSNBC/NYT lefties strategizing to control his “image” brought to mind that video of John Edwards on the campaign trail:
Edwards completely dedicated – working overtime, in fact – to get that sweep of hair “just right.”
Narcissists, both. And ones who make sure the outside of the cup is spotless, yet oblivious to the filth inside.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:46 am | #79
“I have a feeling that the lefties are going to find that out the wrong way that they have pushed the envelope way too far. Like in about 2 weeks.”
what do you mean? Explain or I will be forwarding your comment to the Secret Service.
Oh and the “dumbing down” of the White House comment… is that supposed to be an ironic joke after 8 years of GW Bush? Funny stuff…
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:47 am | #80
++
via TRBO
Glenn Beck Show October 21, 2009
Obama’s ‘authoritarian media practices’ slammed
[All freedom-loving Americans and independent-minded journalists must be concerned about the authoritarian actions practiced in recent days by Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign, which cut off future interviews to a local news network after its anchor dared to ask legitimate but pressing questions to Democrat vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden.
The boycott move is a direct threat to what little is left of America’s free press, highlighting to reporters the ramifications of questioning the Obama campaign on issues it doesn’t want to talk about.
As a Mideast reporter, I’ve seen this kind of action before. It’s routinely practiced by Middle East dictators and has resulted in an intimidated press corps which toes the jihadist line, in part out of fear of having their contacts cut off.
[..]
The type of media oppression evidenced by the Obama camp is regularly practiced in the Middle East, where (excluding Israel) independent journalism is virtually nonexistent. Most media outlets in my neck of the woods are state run. [..]
The outlook for the already grim future state of reporting
during an Obama administration just faded to black.]
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October 22nd, 2009 | 10:48 am | #81
Eric, I can hardly deny that liberals and “progressives” believe we need government for many reasons. I agree with them in some cases and disagree in others, but I see their belief as entirely honorable, and I don’t buy the standard conservative line that the Left is just motivated by power, by an attempt to control. Yes, big government impinges on personal freedom to some extent, but that’s a byproduct of attempts to bring about good ends. Agan, I’m not arguing for those ends right now, only defending motives.
I don’t remember Obama saying he wasn’t for a public option; I believe he just indicated he’s not wedded to it. He’s a political pragmatist.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:56 am | #82
what do you mean? Explain or I will be forwarding your comment to the Secret Service.
Wow . . . what do you have on your mind?
Did you hear of Election Day, 11/3/09? When the people of VA and NJ pass a referendum on B.O.’s administration and anyone with a “D” behind their name?
In case you don’t understand political science, when NJ and VA turn their backs on the Dems/lefties, that will send most of the “Blue Dogs” off running the other way from B.O. Will be much harder for the lefties to get their way in DC. Lefties will find that they don’t “own” DC.
It would help, Joe, if you would learn something about the way the world is run.
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:58 am | #83
ahhhh… sorry about that. you’re right, I should have known you were talking about election day.
The repubs are going to get smeared again though. It’s cute that you still have your hopes up though.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:01 am | #84
The bet on NJ is that Corzine wins re-election. Of course, Corzine spent, so far, $40-million. While his opponent only spent $4-million.
Here. Let me take a guess. Because Corzine bought so much ad space, he’s also getting ‘positive’ reviews.
So, maybe, the democrap will lose in NJ? But it makes betting tough.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:04 am | #85
Ignorance is Strength
Thats the motto joe lives by.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:08 am | #86
Joe
Your right! Capitalism was a term made up by a marxist. The correct term is Free Market Enterprise System. And without it we would all live in squalor under tyranny you bafoon.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:15 am | #87
Anita Dunn,amited that they spoon feed what the other net-work was allow to report on,only FoX is reported the News.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:18 am | #88
batman
October 22nd, 2009 | 6:18 am 12
But the leftists seem to have forgotten (or never realized) that Alinsky’s nifty little rules work BOTH ways; and are equally valid for left and right.
Of course, when we on the right apply them, we’re “horrible people” who can’t be “civil”. The left depends an awful lot on hypocrisy.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:18 am | #89
Bg’s quote from Beck’s show that BO is doing what is typical in Middle East dictatorships: an intimidated press “toeing the line” in part out of fear they’ll lose their contacts.
Isn’t that what we later learned CNN had been doing for so many years with Saddam in Iraq? They maintained access precisely because they chose *not* to report alot of what they knew was going on.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:21 am | #90
Ken
I’m not talking about the public option. Single payer is the term used for socialized medicine without private health insurance. Many progressives revel in the idea of putting private health insurance co.s out of business.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:33 am | #91
Eric, again, Obama has said what he’s prefer ideally, and he’s said what pushing for, and those are two different things.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:40 am | #92
Joe:
previously, you made mention of the lack of education of other commenters on this forum (well, in your estimation, anyway…); as a fellow who has come to this blog only recently, perhaps you could enlighten me/us as to your own education profile, in case I missed it in past posts. Certainly, a lad such as yourself, with the highest academic credentials, which no doubt are the wellspring of the highly sophisticated opinions you routinely offer, would not be ashamed about disclosing those very credentials.
Salutations,
Goober
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:48 am | #93
Joe
October 22nd, 2009 | 10:14 am 72
It’s really unbelievable how uninformed you people are. It’s the reason I come here… to observe the stupidity. Keep up the sh*t work!
Sure, joey. Sure. That’s the only reason you and your fellow “progressives” (lol) come here. And to laugh and laugh, of course.
But you hang around; and try and try to justify the absurd positions and actions of your little tin idol, obama.
You try to claim that you “think independently” (lol) – but you parrot the party line on *every* subject – without exception. You even try to conflate “waffling and dithering” as “reasoned thought”. (Even you must have gagged when you tried to do that one.)
You’re simply a stooge and an apologist for obama and his lackeys. Nothing else. Ever.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:50 am | #94
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One Way @ 11:18 am #89
yes it’s the samo samo, it’s also as wrong
headed thinking as president death knell..
CNN Exec Admits Covering Up ‘Maniac’ Saddam’s Atrocities
[I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.]
believe CNN has the same deal with Iran
as well as many other oppressive states..
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October 22nd, 2009 | 11:52 am | #95
Ken
Good grief! They admit that public option will put private insurers out of business and will lead to single payer. Like I said….it will be too late.
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:07 pm | #96
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Ken @ 10:48 am #81
re: [I don’t remember Obama saying he wasn’t for a public option; I believe he just indicated he’s not wedded to it. He’s a political pragmatist.]
Just a sample
i highly recommend you watch , listen & mentally retain for future reference, as the vid is most likely to disappear along with hundreds that preceded it via Obama’s black hole machine, aka: Al Gore), Senior Advisor @ Google, BOD @ Apple, Owner of Current TV amongst other investments)
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October 22nd, 2009 | 12:10 pm | #97
Nobody cares if the unterminated POC occupying the throne is unrepentant. It’s behaviour is too foolish to be regarded with any seriousness whatsoever.
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:13 pm | #98
bg
Excellent! That’s what I’m talking about.
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:30 pm | #99
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just a sample:
Adolf Obama, uh, Hitler quotes..
All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people.
-aka: Cloward Priven
All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
-aka: MSM
As soon as by one’s own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one’s own right is laid.
-aka: Republicans reaching across the isle
Great liars are also great magicians.
-self explanatory
-Joe etal:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~ Joseph Goebbels
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October 22nd, 2009 | 12:44 pm | #100
bg (and Eric), nothing in that video contradicts what I wrote. Obama would like single payer but he knows it’s not an option now. Oppose him on the idea (as I do), but he’s been straightforward about what he wants and what he’s actually trying to get right now.
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:45 pm | #101
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Goober Bettancour @ 11:40 am #92
that too is self explanatory..
besides, whatever anyone’s background is
or isn’t is irrelevant pertaining to issues..
this is the internet, Joe (et al) could be anyone or anything their little hearts desire..
that Joe makes things up is obvious..
so what’s to stop Joe from creating a resume to beat the band..
it’s not what the person is that counts, it’s what the person represents..
Joe is just another poster boy for troll central..
bottom line:
one can lead Joe etal to knowledge,
but one cannot make Joe etal think..
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October 22nd, 2009 | 12:48 pm | #102
Joe said:
“Why don’t you just have a general be president then? Generals are not always right. No one has ever ‘won’ in Afghanistan. What makes you think things will be different for us. What does ‘winning’ even mean?”
Liberals are sure signing a different tune about Afghanistan now, aren’t they? Remember the days of Afghanistan being the “good war” and Iraq being “Bush’s distraction”? Obama promised to win in Afghanistan.
Now, it’s “Well, who ever ‘won’ in Afghanistan? What’s ‘winning,’ anyway?”
Obama personally chose General McChrystal and revamped the new Afghanistan strategy in March. Now, however, he doesn’t want to implement that strategy because his stupid base–people like Joe–will call him a “warmonger.” Obama lacks the will and courage to do the right thing, so he’s dithering instead.
And the world is laughing at us.
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:53 pm | #103
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Ken @ 12:44 pm #99
comprehension problem much??
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October 22nd, 2009 | 12:58 pm | #104
Not only is the world laughing at us long standing allies are telling us to stuff it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/21/AR2009102100746_pf.html
“I have never seen this in 30 years,” Calder said. “I haven’t heard Japanese talking back to American diplomats that often, especially not publicly. The Americans usually say, ‘We have a deal,’ and the Japanese respond, ‘Ah soo desu ka,’ — we have a deal — and it’s over. This is new.”
October 22nd, 2009 | 1:04 pm | #105
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ps re: Ken @ 12:44 pm #99
Obama is not about “now”..
“I can envision a decade out or 15 years out ot twenty years out”
Obama is all about laying foundations for transitioning the US into the
New World Order under the auspices of the UN.. aka: a future Global IslaMarxist Caliphate long after he’s perished from the Earth..
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October 22nd, 2009 | 1:10 pm | #106
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re: bg @ #96 & #105
“I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out” ~ BHO
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October 22nd, 2009 | 1:21 pm | #107
#94 —
Thanks, bg, I knew you’d have the link.
October 22nd, 2009 | 1:26 pm | #108
bg, the comprehension problem is yours. Again, Obama has been clear that he would like single payer and also clear that he is not pushing for it now. And while we’re on the subject, single payer’s chances will rest on how well the public option does. And that’s good for everyone.
October 22nd, 2009 | 2:34 pm | #109
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via TRBO
Glenn Beck Show October 21, 2009
ps: Ken @ 1:26 pm #108
re: [that’s good for everyone]
yeah right, whatever Ken..
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October 22nd, 2009 | 2:46 pm | #110
Obama is just your typical corrupt lying sack of socialist Democrat dung.
Democrats only like the right to free speech when the opinions expressed agree with their left wing extremist ideology.
Looking forward to removing a lot of these vermin at the polls in 2010.
October 22nd, 2009 | 3:25 pm | #111
yeah right, whatever Ken..
So observing how well or how poorly the public option or trigger or whatever we get works will not help all thinking make a better guess at how well single payer might work?
Rebut me if you can, bg. Like a lot of people here, you just seem to want to vent your spleen.
October 22nd, 2009 | 4:27 pm | #112
“So observing how well or how poorly the public option or trigger or whatever we get works will not help all thinking make a better guess at how well single payer might work?”
No, the reality is that it will not. Medicare and Medicaid, when they were first implemented, were promoted as a means to lower the overall cost of health care–instead, the costs of health care have gone through the roof. That there are extenuating circumstances–technological breakthroughs, research and development, and a large pool of taxpayer money to draw from–is beside the point. These programs have not done what they promised to do, which is lower the cost of health care overall.
The healthcare/ health insurance argument is also a red herring created by the administration right now. No one who supports the public option wants to deal with the fact that the country is BROKE–the govt. has $12 trillion in debt and wants to raise the “debt ceiling” (what good is having a debt ceiling if it’s going to be raised regardless?), and there is $50 trillion in debt across the entire country; Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are going to run out of revenue within the next ten years.
And supporters of the public option think that we can provide complete and total health care for 23-49 million people (a number that will skyrocket once businesses drop their plans and tell their employees to get on the government plan), and that it will be “cost-neutral” and won’t add to the debt? They are lying or living in fantasy land. The math and history are completely against them.
Your argument that this is something that will be on a “trial basis” is completely naive if sincere. Once implemented, it will either stay as a “public option,” or single payer, no matter the cost or how effective it actually is. The only thing that would remove it from the government budget would be the complete collapse of the national infrastructure which, the way we are heading with our debt obligations, isn’t the tin-foil proposition it would have been even 4 years ago.
Ultimately, supporters of the public option don’t care about health care reform–they merely want a third party to provide them with every healthcare remedy known to man at no cost to them. Well, I want a Ferrari Testarossa, but if I want the best, I have to pay for it. The same applies to healthcare.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:17 pm | #113
Remember that this is America and President Barack Obama has the constitutional right to defend himself against accusers. He has the right of free speech too. Whether he is right or wrong, he’s permitted to state his opinion.
John DeFlumeri Jr
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:36 pm | #114
Chris, thanks for the actual rebuttal. I’m no economist and can’t speak to whether the proposed plans will cost or save us money, but if I had to bet, I’d bet you’re correct there. As to Medicare and Medicaid, they may have been promoted as ways to reduce costs, but their primary mission was to provide health insurance for people who didn’t have it or had a hard time affording it. And this they have done.
You misread and misquote me in regards to the public option being passed on a trial basis. I agree that once passed, it will remain in one form or another unless it’s a complete disaster, and even then, vested interests being powerful, it would probably be tough to dislodge.
And I’m one supporter of the public option who doesn’t want something for nothing.
October 22nd, 2009 | 5:51 pm | #115
bg
October 22nd, 2009 | 12:45 pm 101
bottom line:
one can lead Joe etal to knowledge,
but one cannot make Joe etal think..
bg,
I do agree with you.
One’s capacity to think through any number of situations/scenarios that invade our horizons does not necessarily have to be yoked to a particular level of academic acheivement. I am actually amazed that the thought-product or the process of thinking of so many folks with what appear to be the highest level of educational credentials is, in fact, so pathetically mediocre. But, as Joe, maybe in the heat of dispute, appealed to education, or its lack, as a measure of the thinking of those whose opinions he was disputing, I was interested in the specific content of something he seemed to place great stock in, at that moment in the argument, as the means to convey his own positions to the tippety top, namely his own comparative educational credentials. No big deal. Hey, for all we know, Joe may very well have attended the Archmere Academy, U. of Delaware, and then Syracuse University College of Law! Who am I to argue with a mind like that?
October 22nd, 2009 | 7:10 pm | #116
Rachel Maddow right now is noting that Bush II never did one interview with the NY Times in 8 years, froze out liberal journalists and MSNBC, and had a big meeting with right-wing radio hosts. Maddow is considerably to the left of me on many issues, but to her credit she says that Bush had the right to do this.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:09 pm | #117
The President,yes I called him that out of respesct for the office, is just falling back to what he has been taught by all of his wonderful instructors through out his life. If they question you, state racist, if that doesn’t work piss and moan about how unfaily your being represented.
October 22nd, 2009 | 11:45 pm | #118
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Ken @ 5:36 pm #111
rebut what, your ego??
like i said, pffft!!
at any rate, just a sample of your utopian health care catastrophe in waiting..
btw, not everyone will be covered..
and much more, but alas i digress..
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