We now know that Barack Obama lied through his teeth to the American public last month. The democrat’s health care bill will kill private insurance, will fund abortion, will cover illegal immigrants, will not be deficit neutral, will cost taxpayers over a trillion dollars and will even include death panels.
This Sunday FOX News will air an interview with Rush Limbaugh discussing this theft.
Click on the Image for the Video
Here’s the transcript:
Rush on the dangers of Obamacare:
“This is not about insuring the uninsured, this is not about health care, this is about stealing one sixth of the private sector and putting it under the control of the Federal government, and when they get this health care bill, it they do, that’s the easiest fastest way for them to be able to regulate every aspect of human behavior.
Because it will all have some related costs to health care, what you drive, what you eat, where you live, what you do, there will be penalties for violating regulations, it’s gonna be the biggest snatch of freedom and liberty that has yet occurred in this country”
October 30th, 2009 | 11:26 pm | #1
Rush, as usual, is spot on. The problem is what do we do about it, they (house and senate) don’t listen to us! They do what they darn well please.
The only real answer is to clean house, and senate, elect only citizens that will not try to make a life out of it.
October 30th, 2009 | 11:32 pm | #2
0bama is disarming and destroying the USA
October 30th, 2009 | 11:47 pm | #3
The only way we can stop Obama and his radical agenda from destroying our country is to send true conservatives to Washington DC. Stand up and support candidates like Doug Hoffman and Marco Rubio.
October 30th, 2009 | 11:57 pm | #4
The puppet master George Soros has visited the White House three times…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28950.html
This should disgust all those who love our great country.
October 31st, 2009 | 12:42 am | #5
Rush speaks truth
Glen Beck targets falsehood idols
One is a general
The other is commander of the special forces.
We are the army.
Tea Party
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October 31st, 2009 | 12:49 am | #6
With all that pseudo science slipping and sliding around Obama, Americans, and the world frankly, have every reason to read that 1990 page bill closely. If Americans don’t know their own history, the world at least can see a dark presence lurking. The people who wrote this bill are, as Noonan says now, truly callous children. What was it that a supreme court justice said about Planned Parenthood and “undesirables?” I think it is supremely ironic that Soros would offer any opinion about the so called health care crisis in America. After all, he got a first hand view as a child, of what these “thinkers” and “experts” called the “final solution.”
Wild? The world is watching…
October 31st, 2009 | 12:55 am | #7
…it’s gonna be the biggest snatch of freedom and liberty that has yet occurred in this country”
That he is correct, there is no doubt. Leftists understand that much of America rejects their agenda, so they rely upon the government to impose it. They are fascists of the highest order.
October 31st, 2009 | 1:31 am | #8
Rush is right.
The question is what are we going to do to stop it?
October 31st, 2009 | 2:28 am | #9
How about some people driving around the DC beltway at the minimum legal speed. A few people could bring that town to it’s knees… for days…weeks even. I know it’s passive-agressive but we have to do SOMETHING!
October 31st, 2009 | 2:44 am | #10
Blockade DC!!! It’s not America anymore!!!
More rallying cries?
October 31st, 2009 | 4:16 am | #11
(c) LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE
COVERAGE.— 2
(1) IN GENERAL.—Individual health insurance
coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance
coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered
on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-par-
ticipating health benefits plan.
Page 94 of 1990
No private health insurance for YOU!
October 31st, 2009 | 5:04 am | #12
as a new independent, I cannot believe I am agreeing with Rush Limbaugh… but yes! I am in complete agreement with him.
So these ignorant as-hole democrats not realise that they have completely pushed out moderate/conservative democrats like me out of the party, and turned us into independents.. freedom-loving america-loving independents!!!!!!!
Who the Hell congress think it is? this is the same crap that the founding fathers fought against! Mandates from people far away who collect our taxes and force us to follow these ignortant, detrimental rules… who gives them the authority? certainly not the US constitution!
Yes, I am one of millions of Americans finally awake… and realising that I am more conservative than I ever thought possible.
NO TO THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2009 | 5:10 am | #13
OT from flopping aces. quite the list of visitors.
bill ayers twice – angela davis once – michael moore eight – andy stern etc. the only question i have is who is jeffrey jones who managed to get in multiple times and while jeffrey jones are
a dime a dozen isn’t there a jeff jones who co-
founded the weatherman and had something to
do with the stimulus?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records
October 31st, 2009 | 5:26 am | #14
jainphx
October 30th, 2009 | 11:26 pm | #1
Rush, as usual, is spot on. The problem is what do we do about it, they (house and senate) don’t listen to us!
My representatives didn’t even bother to answer my emails. They’ve labeled us unruly mobs and racists in order to isolate and ridicule.
I think it’s time for the next step. Many of them already know they will not survive the 2010 elections but they are going to push as much through before then and once enacted into law, there is no going back.
Next step? Ideas?
How about a general strike? One planned day.
October 31st, 2009 | 5:31 am | #15
Michelle Bachmann called for carloads and busloads of people to show up at the Capitol on Thursday. Be at the Capitol steps at high noon,she will walk with you, walk the halls of the Capitol and look congressmembers in the eye and tell them your thoughts about healthcare!
October 31st, 2009 | 5:47 am | #16
But who will do the interview? As for soros visiting the whitehouse, soros used to brag he was on the phone DAILY with clinton and clinton really listened to him (I take that to mean clinton did what he was told to do). Soros has a business to run, I’m sure he is also on the phone a lot with obama ’cause lets face it, obama needs someone to lead him.
October 31st, 2009 | 5:50 am | #17
Politicans that feel as we do are all well and good but we should not allow them to hijack the message for political gain. Make it a message from the people to our elected leaders, ALL of them.
Isolate the message. Don’t throw it in with a whole laundry list. Make it a bi-partisan effort. Everyone who feels taxes have gotten out of hand and we have to rein in government should be encouraged to participate.
Hilary Clinton was wrong when she said if it moves, we tax it. Even when you stop moving, government is still taxing you. Instead of government working for people, we are working to support the government. We need to bnring this back under control.
October 31st, 2009 | 6:06 am | #18
POWER! It is all about power!
The Democrats spent 8 years pumping out propaganda demonizing the Republicans and Bush/Cheney. After they captured the Legeslaitve branch of government they set their sights on maintaining their power. Hence, Obama (an empty suit with empty rhetoric) is elected to office.
This health care legislation will further cement the Progressive Left’s stranglehold upon America, removing any percieved freedoms and liberties that Americans have. Has anyone noticed how the Progressives are pumping out the idea that ‘healthcare is a human right’? Professional political hacks from the GOP are climbing aboard this socialist train, as witnessed by the number of ‘moderate’ or ‘liberal’ Republicans – Gingrich supporting Scozzafava is just one tiny instance. If anyone thinks that Conservatives are an endangered species they should wait just a few more years – the only Conservatives to be found will be senior citizens dying like flies because they can’t get health care. Everyone else will have ‘rights’; like the right to be subservient (Compliant and obedient to authority) to the Government. It used to be called slavery 200 years ago.
Welcome to Amerika.
October 31st, 2009 | 6:37 am | #19
Hey Pawn, you have done something. For the last 6 years the Republicans were in power and you ran things just as you wanted to run them. You let the banking industry take retirement funds a gamble them away. You allowed global corporations to move jobs off shore while still getting a tax break from the U.S. You allowed trillions of dollars to be flushed down the Iraq rat hole while you built Malaki a nation at no cost to him.
Now where are we today after 6 years of good sound conservative rule? Millions of people are having to put off retirement. Thanks to the Republicans, our country has no industry, we produce nothing and have become the consumers of the world. We are out over 4000 lives and trillions of dollars fighting an illegal war. And that is just a tip of the iceberg.
So if the Republicans are so good at leading, then what happened? Why are we in a steady mode of mop up after your Party finished with this country.
October 31st, 2009 | 6:47 am | #20
Quit blaming everything on republicans and Bush! If you have a brain, start using it.
ALL the politicians for years have been
paying little attention to anything except
their own reach for power and $$. With
Obama and the ultra liberal democraps goal
to socialism it is just more obvious and faster moving. Try being an American for once.
Care about your country…not playing the
blame game. It is disgusting.
October 31st, 2009 | 6:49 am | #21
Quit playing the blame game. Both parties
have been out of control for some time. We
have been asleep at the wheel. Time to wake up, be an American, speak out to protect
our freedom, liberties and constitution.
October 31st, 2009 | 6:50 am | #22
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October 31st, 2009 | 7:44 am | #23
Yeah, the Obamunists are “mopping up” by driving the country deeper in debt than ever. WTF?
October 31st, 2009 | 7:50 am | #24
Rush is right. This is about power-hungry people, not health care. The fact that this bill doesn’t permit interstate competition between insurance companies nor tort reform proves Congress has no interest in actually improving the quality or lowering the cost of health care.
When the nanny-staters start dictating how I should live my life, I’m just ornery enough to tell them to mind their own business, as I’m sure most other Americans will.
October 31st, 2009 | 7:53 am | #25
If I am not mistaken, its the conservatives that want to play Build A Nation Repeat. The Karzai Crime Family wants a nice new infrastructure free of charge. You would scream bloody murder if Obama pulled out of Afghanistan. Meanwhile The Karzai’s are running dope for huge profits while we the taxpayers pay for their new country to the tune of trillions of dollars.
The liberals are trying to invest in this country, while you guys want to invest in any country but this one.
October 31st, 2009 | 7:56 am | #26
Personally, I think we need to get to the root of the problem. As Michele Bachmann said, PelosiCare (ObamaCare) is unconstitutional. We shouldn’t even be debating it. My second worry is Obama making it so he wants to over ride our privacy rights. While he won’t allow anyone to see any documentation of his past. I hate to be labeled a ‘birther’ but after all we’ve seen, after all Obama has done, is it really all that far fetched that he isn’t even eligible to be POTUS? It’s starting to look like he very well may be a usurper.
October 31st, 2009 | 7:56 am | #27
a soon-to-be-former-democrat
Welcome aboard the freedom and liberty mother ship!
October 31st, 2009 | 7:59 am | #28
For the last 6 years the Republicans were in power and you ran things just as you wanted to run them.
Way to re-write history, Sherry. You and the rest of the lying Left want Americans to forget (assuming they ever knew) that Congress was controlled by far-left Democrats for the last 2 years of the Bush Administration.
But I know, I know, that’s just “bourgeois” truth to be discarded along with our “bourgeois” freedoms, like the so-called “freedom of speech.” We know the only “truth” for the Left is “revolutionary” truth, meaning whatever lie you can get away with that will advance the political power of the Left.
Well done, Comrade Sherry.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:00 am | #29
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October 31st, 2009 | 8:03 am | #30
Sherry Collins
That is all twisted logic and ignorance.Your wasting your time here. We do not buy your leftist talking points. “It’s Bush’s fault”.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:05 am | #31
As far as I am concerned, I wish this year was 2010 – because that would mean next Tuesday we could (and I) replace them.
Goodness I want them gone,
October 31st, 2009 | 8:16 am | #32
Sherry Collins: “The liberals are trying to invest in this country, while you guys want to invest in any country but this one”.
Stealing more and more money from people, taking more and more freedoms and liberties from people, taking over private businesses and controlling financial institutions is not “investing”.
It’s a prelude to a Marxist transformation.
Liberal = progressive = socialist = communist = Marxist = enslaver
October 31st, 2009 | 8:17 am | #33
The liberals are trying to invest in this country, while you guys want to invest in any country but this one.
Another “revolutionary truth” whopper from Comrade Sherry! Brilliant inversion of meanings! In reality, money borrowed by the government to pay off its political cronies, with no chance whatsoever of ever benefiting the economy or returning a profit to the taxpayer, and to be paid for with future confiscatory tax revenues, as the Obama Administration is doing, isn’t an investment. It’s theft.
But sure, once again, that’s only “bourgeois” truth, isn’t it Comrade Sherry? Much better to speak “revolutionary” truth, by calling stolen money an “investment.” Well done Comrade!!! МОЛОДЕЦ !!!
October 31st, 2009 | 8:20 am | #34
I only wish I lived about 100 miles further north in the 23rd district so I could vote for Doug Hoffman.
My big choice this year is for County Sheriff!
(Cue the crickets)
October 31st, 2009 | 8:24 am | #35
Sherry Collins,
Are you paid to spew MSNBC drivel, or are you just another useful-idiot who can only think like you are told to think. Here, there is an array of independent thinkers; moderate democrats, independents, conservatives all seeing the truth for themselves.
Then there is you, running down a list of DNC talking points, straight from K-os, Olbermann, or that cute little boy on after him.
You are fooling no one.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:25 am | #36
sherry,
You have been reminded that the last two years of Bush,s term that the house and senate were ran by the Democrats. May I also remind you that the democrats got control of the senate from 2001-2003 with the defection of a guy named Jim Jeffords. Therefore the bush had only a slim working majoraty for 4 years and never had a filabuster proof senate.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:25 am | #37
Corzine campaign staffer arrested on drug charges – out on $15,000 bail:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/corzine_campaign_staffer_arrested_90W38gZ0Z0ZRfYDxgrAh3N
October 31st, 2009 | 8:28 am | #38
Meet with Michelle Bachman on Nov 5 at the Capital steps!!!! I didn’t get to the 9/12 protest so I’ll be at this one…please God all being well.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:34 am | #39
Amanda
You are sooooooo right! Every word you said is true! Please post your words on every blog you can find.
It is past time for Americans to be Americans.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:35 am | #40
I’m getting worried that in the end there will be nothing we CAN do that doesn’t involve violence. DC is blowing us all off big time.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:37 am | #41
RE: Corzine story:
ABC tried to cover the story – pulled it from their website – nothing on google yet – brand new story:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2375241/posts?q=1&;page=94#94
October 31st, 2009 | 8:48 am | #42
You are correct. I should have said the Republicans were in power the first six years. My mistake. Thank you for the correction.
JPL17 how do you explain the money funneled to the likes of Haliburton, Blackwater and AECom, all cronies of Republicans all no bid contracts. This money also had to be borrowed and will never return an investment to the tax payer either. It was, as you say, illegal and grand theft.
I was hoping there would be one among you that was not so partisan that they could not have an intelligent conversation. Don’t you ever tire of just agreeing with each other?
October 31st, 2009 | 8:52 am | #43
“…how do you explain the money funneled to the likes of Haliburton, Blackwater and AECom, all cronies of Republicans all no bid contracts.”
That’s rich, being calle d”partisan” by someone who spews “information” straight off a DNC approved website.
I reiterate, you are not fooling anyone.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:55 am | #44
This is not about Republican vs Democrat, Sherry. Get your head out of the sand. This is about power and control and that’s it. That’s all. If you want proof look at who back the lib in NY 23. We need to clean house of people totally corrupted by power but first defeat the ObamaPelosi Health Bill.
This fully put 48% of the enconomy in the fed control to begin. To begin.
This is the USSA in 2000 pages. If you want socialism, move!
October 31st, 2009 | 8:59 am | #45
Dr dBunk – did you notice how you just blew past the question and went straight to insults? That normally means you have no answer.
I am not trying to fool anyone. Why should I? I am a card carrying liberal, as if you couldn’t already tell.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:02 am | #46
Scozzofava has suspended her campaign, but has not endorsed Hoffman.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:08 am | #47
Sherry go to factcheck.org and see for yourself that Halliburton contracts were legal. What do you mean investment? Wartime spending to provide gasoline and food to troops is not “investment”. As far as Blackwater, they are one of many private contractors being used, by the way, which the Obama Administration to this day uses in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Apparently when they got in office they realize that they provide a needed service. It is Blackwater that gives security to all administration officials when traveling to both theatres of war.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:14 am | #48
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October 31st, 2009 | 9:15 am | #49
Ha, Sherry, I guess the Obama administration is funneling money too, huh?
Bring it on, babe, we’ve got the biggest bunch of frauds ever, in Washington and you know what? They told us exactly who they were but the media refused to do their job. Congrats to you for helping them. At the moment I can only assume that anyone who voted and still suports this mess is a socialist/Marxist/Communist Soros supporter. At least the line is drawn and the sides are clear.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:16 am | #50
Sherry,
You are so wrong on so many levels. First, let’s get this straight: The term “Republican” and “conservative” are not interchangable. Just as “Democrat” and “iberal” are not interchangable, as the world is about to see. You freely substitute those descriptors so frequently in your inane, tired comments, it HAS to be a strategy. Or am I giving you too much credit…too clever by half?
As far as money being “funneled” to government contractors, you’re clearly ignorant, or obtuse. A “no-bid” contract isn’t evil, it isn’t even unethical… there are exactly 1 companies that provide the services that Haliburton does, and they’re called Haliburton. No one else can even come close to the scope of work spec’d out on the governments RFQ. more…
October 31st, 2009 | 9:16 am | #51
Sherry,
I will not answer any “question” based on already debunked premises.
You reveal yourself in crying “insult”, when all I did was say your false premise is built on a foundation of DNC quicksand.
I re-reiterate, you are not fooling anyone.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:26 am | #52
++
Sherry Collins
you need to back up your accusations (which are totally
out of context, not to mention false) with proof thereof..
or
1) stop spewing your rubbish..
2) go do some research..
the results of which will automatically shut
down your propaganda mouth, uh, machine..
==
October 31st, 2009 | 9:29 am | #53
The banking mess was caused almost exclusively because of defaults in the mortgage sector…if you want to get into the folly of derrivatives, fine, I’ll spot you that point. Circling back though, the banking/mortgage and ensuing credit disaster was caused by Democrats! Janet Reno stood up in front of the banking and finance commitee in 1998 and wagged her finger at the CEO’s of every major mortgage lender and said, to paraphrase, ‘You will lend this money to low-income, unqualified borrowers, OR there will be INVESTIGATIONS’.
In other words, we will haul your ass into court and drag out false “redline” charges until your team of attorneys is happily retired on their own Carribean Island. Barney Frank and the rest of the social engineers BRAGGED about this, and underwrote those loans. That is the exact point in history to which you can trace the current financial mess…the mess YOUR idiot president cares nothing about. This is a Democrat disease. And with RahmObama tripling…TRIPLING the deficit in 6 months, it has to be clear, even to a Kool-Aid drinker like you, these progressive fools are trying to destrouy the entire system. And mnay do it.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:33 am | #54
The good news is our side has waaayyyy more guns. Sorry about the typos. I get kind of excited when I get to slap trolls around.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:37 am | #55
Rush on Fox News unnerving the WH , sweet…After all they’re both in good company being on the WH enemies list…
October 31st, 2009 | 9:39 am | #56
Sequoia,
And now those same bankers, and those that recieved bailouts are bundling vast amounts of cash for the DNC and partying it up at the WH.
Soon, trial lawyers will be partying on our dime if this monstrosity called “health reform” passes in it’s present language. Thanks to Queen Nancy, they will be exempt from tort reform in the bill.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:45 am | #57
Are the Democrats Really This Desperate?
Galling disrespect for the electorate is the only explanation for the absurd twists of facts and phrases coming from the Democrats.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/are_the_democrats_really_this.html
October 31st, 2009 | 9:45 am | #58
I didn’t say Haliburton and Blackwater were illegal. I said money was funneled to them through the illegal war in Iraq. This was in response to the accusation of Obama kicking back to his cronies.
A no-bid contract is not illegal, but it certainly smacks of being unethical. It kinda gives the grantor of contract the ability to reward cronies without any interference.
What is there a company who could do it better and cheaper, we would never know because its no-bid.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:47 am | #59
“The liberals are trying to invest in this country, while you guys want to invest in any country but this one.”
Yes, Sherry invest in this country by such wonderful mechanisms as the Community Reinvestment Act that has led to a housing crisis and high interest rates in credit cards and the bailouts of Freddie and Fannie and other Banks that were forced to make loans to people who they should have and would have kicked out the door.But, it made you” feel good”.Does “feeling good” count as an investment?
Investments only a democrat can believe in.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:48 am | #60
Dr.,
Yup! Money is like water, it flows to power. One of the crazy misconceptions is that wealthy people, and by extension, their corporations, are conservative. They’re NOT. They are essentially power whores.(Not to offend, I’m using Rep. Grayson’s rather expansive def. of the word.)
The real evil comes from the PROGRESSIVE movement. Sherry and her patsy friends really don’t understand the difference between “progressive” and “liberal”. Glenn B. has been doing yeoman’s work on this subject.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:50 am | #61
“… illegal war in Iraq…”
More DNC approved and fraudulent bile from
typical source.
I re-re-reiterate, you are not fooling anyone.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:53 am | #62
Sherry,
You ignorant ****, it’s “no-bid” BECAUSE nobody else bid it! Trust me, if there were a minority or female owned company that could provide logistical support to 500,000 troops 8,000 mi. away, THEY would have Haliburton’s contract. I know, I live in this world.
October 31st, 2009 | 9:59 am | #63
Everybody- Please just ignore the person calling herself Sherry Collins. You feed her need for attention. I’ve noticed on every thread lately an Obot posting. I’d recommend everyone just ignore them.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:00 am | #64
Ms Collins,
I don’t think I mentioned anything about who did what to whom.The past is the past, glorious or ugly depends on your point of view. You are entitled to it and it’s worth is equal to anyone elses.
My point was to develop some way of getting OUR REPRESENTATIVES in DCs attention.
I am speaking of the future. Some people are prisoners of the past, whereas free people will determine their future.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:03 am | #65
Hello, My Name Is…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/hello_my_name_is.html
October 31st, 2009 | 10:12 am | #66
Sequoia. Your assessment on the banks could be right. I would need to research your facts, but its possible you are correct.
Where you are incorrect is your opinion about the deficit. The deficit will not be tripled even through the end of Obama’s second term. The actual numbers are available if you care to verify it.
How is Obama destroying the system any more than anybody else has? Bush was a spender, a big spender, but he is not accused of any destruction, but if Obama spends then he is accused of destruction.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:13 am | #67
…money was funneled to them through the illegal war in Iraq.
Excellent dodge, Comrade Sherry!!! Of course your comment has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of our posts (which was your ridiculous claim that Democrats are “investing” in our country). Keep up the good diversionary smoke screen! Your Party needs it!!!
Also, extra credit to you for sneaking in the gratuitous lie about the Iraq war being “illegal”!!! You have learned well from your Party masters that a lie repeated enough times becomes the truth!!! Star of Lenin and Alinsky Prizes to you, Comrade!!! ПОЗДРАВЛЕНИЕ, ТОВАРИЩ!
October 31st, 2009 | 10:13 am | #68
Tass – I agree; the American people need to take a stand, and it is better that the people of America close the country down for a day or more in protest and keep up the pressure, before Obama decides it is time to do the very same thing to America – shut it down and close its borders.
People should stop thinking that there are going to be elections in 2010; people should be thinking that there will not be elections in 2010, then perhaps you’ll realize that the time for action is now. America as the world has known it is being dismantled, fundamentally changed. Someone or more better stand up and take the lead.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:19 am | #69
“How is Obama destroying the system any more than anybody else has? Bush was a spender, a big spender, but he is not accused of any destruction, but if Obama spends then he is accused of destruction.” by Sherry Collins
People, this is the type of thinking you are dealing with in America. People such as Sherry are missing the point and the big picture. First off, spending when the country is in a huge recession with high unemployment rates is absurd and second, Obama is not just spending, he is overtaking the private sector, to the tune of 48%, and putting it under the control of the government. Can anyone say communist coup!
October 31st, 2009 | 10:30 am | #70
From Doug Ross:
Economic Stimulus Q&A
Sometime this year, we taxpayers may again receive an Economic Stimulus payment. This is an exciting program. I’ll explain it using the Q and A format:
Q. What is an Economic Stimulus payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.
Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.
Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.
Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is for you to use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.
Q. But isn’t that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:32 am | #71
Great. I’m not trying to dwell on the past, but when a liberal comes to a conservatives site you have to first do the partisan blame thing before somebody shows up that says its an American thing. Agreed, it is our issue.
Where we don’t agree is you guys want to defeat healthcare because you fear a government takeover. You cannot point to one instance where Obama has interfered with a solvent company, so why would he take over the insurance companies?
I would imagine that you are concerned about the cost of the healthcare and are not convinced that it will be deficit neutral. I really could not swear that it will be deficit neutral, but it is needed. I personally know someone who has lost her home because of medical bills, so I can’t help but want affordable healthcare for people who don’t have coverage.
I don’t know of any alternatives to trying to lower premiums than to present some kind of competition to the private insurers. What else would work?
October 31st, 2009 | 10:35 am | #72
What most people don’t remember, is that the Demoncraps forced a second vote on Iraq, when everyone thought the President was already given permission, by the first vote on Afghanistan. Go back and listen to the floor speaches given by Hillery, Kerry, Pilosi,etal.
It’s an eye opening experience, it was only after that they were ” mislead and lied to” that the shiite hit the fan. EVERY DEMONCRAP was for the war until victory was in sight. Sound familiar?
October 31st, 2009 | 10:38 am | #73
Joanne: Where is anything that substantiates that Obama is taking over anything. Because an insurance plan, just like Medicare, will be offered to the uninsured, then somehow it will takeover everything? Has Medicare taken over the private industry? You cannot go out there and manufacture a result and present it like its true. You have no supporting evidence or any precedent set by this Administration that would indicate in any way that a government takeover is the goal. Obama has never interfered in a solvent industry.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:43 am | #74
Here you go “Sherry”. You won’t be able to pretend to be so stupid and ill-informed.
Do They Need the Public Option?
Much discussion of the House Democrats’ health care bill has focused on its inclusion of the “public option,” which most observers see as a Trojan Horse intended to serve, ultimately, as the vehicle for socialized medicine as private insurers are driven from the market–a process that President Obama has said may take ten to twenty years.
What strikes me as I read the House bill, however, is how closely it approximates socialized medicine even without the public option. The bill is classic national socialist legislation, in that it takes ostensibly private entities, the health insurance companies, and perverts them into instruments of the state, run top-down and barred from competing among themselves.
Under the House bill private health insurance companies will still exist, but to what end? They will be legally prohibited from competing in any meaningful sense. They will be required to issue substantially the same coverages at substantially the same rates, changes in which must be justified to the government. They will be prohibited from underwriting insurance risks in any rational way: they must pay all bills resulting from preexisting conditions, and they will be prohibited from charging lower-risk customers lower rates.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024833.php
October 31st, 2009 | 10:47 am | #75
Obama…is overtaking the private sector. Can anyone say communist coup!
True, Joanne, but unfortunately, Sherry and her Party masters consider this a good thing. There can’t be any other explanation for their mindless, Pavlovian support for this Pelosi-Reid “healthcare” monstrosity. I mean, this is a bill that, if passed, will:
– tightly limit health insurance choices for all Americans (except elected officials, of course, who have been exempted from its coverage!);
– vastly increase our health insurance premiums;
– hugely drive up national debt and taxes;
– drive private insurance companies out of business; and
– dramatically lower the quality of U.S. health care and increase patient wait times.
What’s the upside, you ask? Well, for Sherry and her Party masters, it’s that it will simultaneously extend the power of the federal government over nearly every aspect of our lives.
And, hey, what could possibly be wrong with that?
October 31st, 2009 | 10:50 am | #76
“I don’t know of any alternatives to trying to lower premiums than to present some kind of competition to the private insurers. What else would work?”
Of course you don’t. You are a liberal.
Have you heard of the free market?
Do you know of the state monopolies currently allowed to exist in the insurance industry?
Do you know they don’t allow for changes in pre-existing condition laws?
Do you know that most states have one insurer that writes up to 85% of the business and therefore there are no free markets in those states?
Do you know, when allowed to exist, the free market will provide a solution to any problem in that market?
Of course you don’t, you are a liberal.
October 31st, 2009 | 10:56 am | #77
Here’s an example of an existing FAILED government run healthcare program. Where the government may or may not ALLOW you to opt out. Sound familiar?
Annals of Socialized Medicine
“In the United Kingdom, Parliament will take up a proposal to give National Health Service patients the right to seek private health care if they have been kept waiting for an appointment with a specialist for more than four months. Cancer patients, in particular, have evidently been removing themselves from the queue the hard way.”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024835.php
October 31st, 2009 | 11:06 am | #78
Sherry, you say you are a liberal, but do you consider yourself a socialist?
October 31st, 2009 | 11:07 am | #79
Just wait until people see the taxes they will have to pay for all this “Hope and Change(TM)”.
For a person making 45k-80k/year their federal tax burden will increase into the 50%-70% range. Pile on state income and sales taxes and all the federal taxes and fees that the Corruptocrats want to pile on there like Cap and Trade, VAT, increased gasoline tax, etc. and some people will be paying 80%+ to the government. Let’s not forget that prices on everything will rise as the dollar loses value thanks to the government printing money faster then Charmin makes toilet paper.
Jobs will disappear because no one will have a spare penny to spend. People will lose their homes and everything they have because they won’t be able to pay their taxes. They also won’t be worrying about “health care” too much because they will be too busy starving and looking for a dry and warm place to sleep for the night.
October 31st, 2009 | 11:20 am | #80
Started way back with the Carter and Habitat for Humanity, along with giving everyone and thier brother a lone, even though they knew some or many would default…
Yes it is money and power, whoever is at fault, we must do something to correct the ethics, or lack thereof in order to fix the trouble…
First and foremost Impeach Obama to get things started…he is not who you may think he is…(no I do not know who he is either, although I know he is an idiot at the hands of some Puppet Master and is too stupid to know he is being used….at our (America) expense…
October 31st, 2009 | 11:52 am | #81
Not trying to dodge you at all. Let me respond to your question.
The Stimulus program was a direct investment our country. By most accounts jobs have been created as a result. That cannot be a bad thing.
Obama just announced that there is a 3.4B investment in smart grids. This is big and will create a lot of jobs. A shuttered factory will reopen to do the manufacturing. This will put people back to work all over the country when you factor in the supply chain.
He invested money for the cash for clunkers program. As a result GM is hiring people back and together with their 60 money back guarantee, they are selling cars again. Good thing or bad thing.
Those are a few investments that he has made in the 10 months he’s been in office.
I didn’t need my party to know that the Iraq war was not sanctioned by the UN, thereby illegal. I was aware of it when it went down.
I dont know why you have to be so rude with your name calling. I have not addressed any of you other than by your names. How about a little courtesy.
October 31st, 2009 | 11:53 am | #82
Where we don’t agree is you guys want to defeat healthcare because you fear a government takeover.
Nice strawman, Sherry. No one here claims that health care doesn’t need reform, it’s the way that it’s going to be reformed. You must have missed Jim’s post regarding the tort reform provision, but that’s typical when you ignore the complexities of such a large portion of our economy.
Another “a friend/family member lost his/her house” story. Did she have health insurance? You provided no context. Try suing the gubmint when they deny your medical claim.
October 31st, 2009 | 12:00 pm | #83
Sherry, the UN didn’t sanction the Bosnian War either. Was that illegal, or don’t you remember that NATO had to stop the genocide? Ask the Rawandans how well the UN worked for them.
October 31st, 2009 | 12:07 pm | #84
Sherry,
At least I gave you the courtesy of answering.
Typical, just ignore what you can’t answer.
I re-re-re-reiterate, you are not fooling anyone.
October 31st, 2009 | 1:04 pm | #85
Cherry,
You can’t be serious…”Cash for Clunkers” was a successful program?? BAH!! Even the MSM is lampooning that program. Every car sold cost me, and the rest of the people reading this who pay taxes, $24,000. Sit with that number a minute. Now, realize this: at LEAST 70% of the cars sold under this program were Japanese or German. DOH! $24,000 a car. And it’s all rainbows and puppies in Detroit now?
Also, how do you figure the stimulus program has added any NET jobs? It hasn’t. The administration tried to fudge those numbers, and they are being laughed at, by CBS, ABC and NBC. Unemployment continues to go up. You are simply making stuff up.
October 31st, 2009 | 1:10 pm | #86
“Here you go “Sherry”. You won’t be able to pretend to be so stupid and ill-informed.”
What’s up with the name calling?
The article cites some facts about what is actually in the Bill and why he disagrees with those passages. That’s fine. However, when he takes the leap that the public option is a Trojan Horse without offering a shred of evidence to support it, then that is where it becomes opinion.
For the record, I also disagree that the Bill should force insurance companies to insure people they would not ordinarily insure. I do think that is illegal. The government plan should be obligated to insure those people.
October 31st, 2009 | 1:11 pm | #87
Everybody just stop…..take a minute to think about what is really happening or should I say what will be happening. We as Americans want the right to work for ourselves, our families and come home from that hard day of work and enjoy what we have accomplished in our lifetime. We as Americans want to have the ablility to give to our charities of choice. We as Americans pay taxes to help those who cannot afford to help themselves ( Medicaid). Take a good look out your window, look at our freedom. Look around and see what you have and then take a look at other countries. Look at their homes, their streets, their neighborhoods. Look how they are fighting in the streets to be free. We take all this for granted and now YOU want to just give it all away. I don;t want that and really neither do you. Take along time to think about what others are trying to make you see. JUST THINK that is the CHANGE you need. The ability to think FOR YOURSELF! Don’t be a follower, be a leader, with honesty and truth. Seak the truth just don’t be told what to believe. OBAMA hasn’t leveled with anyone…..see the truth. OBAMA has used you by telling you what you want to hear so you will follow him and agree with him….Get the facts, do research for yourself, figure it out…..You all have the intelligence to seek the truth.
October 31st, 2009 | 1:23 pm | #88
All of you who are in favor of the government health care plan…I have one question for you…How much is it going to cost you our of pocket to participate in this plan? You are not only going to be taxed to pay for others who cannot afford the plan, but what are you going to pay for the plan, indvidual or family????? ANYYONE …
October 31st, 2009 | 1:28 pm | #89
Sherry, I won’t debate a parrot. All you do is parrot White House- and MoveOn-approved talking points, and when challenged on them, all you do is parrot other White House- and MoveOn-approved talking points. For example, your defenses of the stimulis and “cash for clunkers” are simplistic. Among other things, you haven’t even weighed the huge negative effects of those programs against their very minor positive effects.
Similarly, your “awareness” that the Iraq War was “illegal” is grossly one-sided and uninformed.The 2003 invasion was authorized by a series of UN resolutions dating back to 1990. Resolution 1441 declared that Iraq was in “material breach” of the cease-fire under UN Resolution 687 (1991), which had required cooperation with weapons inspectors. The result of Iraq’s breach under Resolution 1441 was that member states were not “constrain[ed] from acting to defend [themselves] against the threat posed by Iraq.” Similarly, the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties states that under certain conditions, a party may invoke a “material breach” to suspend a multilateral treaty. Thus, the US and UK had the right to suspend the cease-fire under Resolution 687 and to continue hostilities against Iraq under the authority of UN Resolution 678 (1990), which originally authorized the use of force after Iraq invaded Kuwait. (By the way, this is the same legal argument President Clinton used for Operation Desert Fox in 1998. Do you therefore consider Clinton a “war criminal”?)
Finally, I fail to see how addressing you as “Comrade Sherry” amounts to rude “name-calling.” Doctors don’t object when we call them “doctor;” given your Marxist-Leninist-tinged comments here, why would you object to the title “Comrade”?
October 31st, 2009 | 1:37 pm | #90
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October 31st, 2009 | 1:38 pm | #91
Right on JPL17!
I think you just slapped that little troll so hard, her parents felt it!
October 31st, 2009 | 1:47 pm | #92
dr DBunk I have answered your question. Sequoia just made reference to it.
Sequoia – Yep cash for clunkers was a success because it got some GM folks back to work. I’m sure they would disagree with your assessment that it was unsuccessful. As I understand it the $24000 estimated by Edmonds has some problems in that they included cars not covered under the clunker program when they estimated the per car figure.
I didn’t say everything was rosey in Detroit, I said some people got called back to work.
As for the stimulus, you cannot prove the stimulus didn’t create jobs, either. So what do we do?
October 31st, 2009 | 2:11 pm | #93
I am a parrot? And who are you parroting? You are repeating something you have heard or read are you not?
Ok, now you have gone and dug up some facts that I will need to verify in order to agree or disagree with you. But just on its face, it doesn’t matter who justified or santified the war, the premise to go to war was false, therefore the war was false.
Fact, there were never any WMDs. We were all scammed into signing off on the war.
I object because my name is not Commrade. OK?
October 31st, 2009 | 2:11 pm | #94
Many have asked what to do about this and although there are several options, one of the most immediate is:
DON’T RE-ELECT INCUMBENT POLITICIANS.
The longer they are in the more power they obtain and this is the result.
The socialists have a strong foothold because of INCUMBENT re-election and have consolidated their power. I mean, what the hell do you think he meant when he said (of the health care bill) “the stars are aligned” They HAVE the power. Why is that? Because we didn’t think it could happen here.
Only one way to stop it, FIRE THEM ALL.
October 31st, 2009 | 2:18 pm | #95
Actually just giving cars away would have gotten people back to work, and it should be considered too, that all those vehicles sold were probably bought on credit – not a good thing for Americans these days, but I guess a deal is too hard to ignore even though it will come around and bite you in the end with payments and interest charges.
October 31st, 2009 | 2:19 pm | #96
American, British, German intelligence failure=scam
UN failure to follow up on their own resolution due to Oil for Food Scam=?
October 31st, 2009 | 2:22 pm | #97
Sherry,
You’re wrong…there were WMDs. Sadam Hussein used them on his own people. I’ve seen the footage. Corpses of ethnic Kurds rotting in the streets. Killed w/WMDs. We freed millions upon milions of people in that war. 60 million to be precise.
You can split hairs all day long on idiotic programs. Here’s the reality: Keynsian Economics dosen’t work. Never has, never will. The solution to our economic woes is to allow the free-market to function. Now go ahead, equivocate all day long. That’s the truth
October 31st, 2009 | 2:25 pm | #98
Contrary to the talking point that the smart grid creates jobs it in fact is shedding jobs. Smart grid is a computerized system that monitors electrical use. It is also replacing the meter readers whose job was to collect billing info.
Keep believing those talking points.
October 31st, 2009 | 2:36 pm | #99
MikeW, they can’t even get the grid project started due to lawsuits filed by the envirowhackos insisting on impact studies. Meanwhile, we refuse to enhance our chances of energy independence by restricting development of our own natural resources. One day we’ll look back on our stupidity wondering how we could be so foolish to create our own energy crisis. Enron gaming the California energy market will look like child’s play in comparison.
October 31st, 2009 | 2:51 pm | #100
Can we sue our senators for running misleading ad?s Just saw an ad run by my senator claiming to be for the senior citizens, by removing the donut hole on prescription drugs. Stating she will look out for seniors by passing the health care bill. The local papers are not covering the 500 million dollar cut in Medicare, the doing away with Medicare advantage, or the appointment of a Health Care Commissioner (Czar). This is truly misleading. She never listens to the voters, just follows Harry Reid instructions. It is obvious they do not seem to remember government, of the people, for the people, by the people. We must do something to make them realize the voters will remember in 2012. Meet Michelle Bachman on Thursday in Washington.
We can only hope and pray for our country. It’s
founding principals are being stolen left in from of us.
October 31st, 2009 | 3:07 pm | #101
If only they were …
No problem with ObamaCare because all those voting for it have “Pledged His Life, Fortune, and Sacred Honor” in the event that their are miscalculations in the costs, etc.
October 31st, 2009 | 3:26 pm | #102
Ms Collins,
Please read and reread JPL17s comment. It seems that you may have some reading comprehension issues. I hope that you can somehow focus on a line of dicussion sometime in the future. Focusing helps you to come to a logially consistant conclusion. Changing the subject is a shallow technique. Focusing results an in-depth understanding of the issues whether pro or con.
October 31st, 2009 | 3:27 pm | #103
Who went and dug up those facts? You know lefturds hate facts and resent those who bother them with those pesky ol’ facts.
October 31st, 2009 | 3:54 pm | #104
Sherry Collins
October 31st, 2009 | 8:48 am | #42
I hate to tell you, Sherry, but Haliburton’s no-bid contracts started with your own slick willie klinton – and he gave them more money than Bush ever did.
Check the rest of your no-bid contract list, and you’ll find the same to be true.
And your obamassiah just signed a new $20million no-bid contract with Blackwater (now Xe) about a month or so ago.
Who the hell do you think you’re fooling with your dnc talking-points drivel? Certainly no one here. Perhaps, if you checked out some of those talking-points for yourself, you’d find out what the truth really is — if you’re interested.
October 31st, 2009 | 3:55 pm | #105
++
Sherry Collins..
just a teaser..
The Clinton Administration’s Public Case Against Saddam Hussein
and btw, did you know Iraq was in violation of the Treaty Saddam signed to save his butt in the first Gulf War, not to mention 18 UN WMD violations alone (there were too numerous to count others)??
and a side note..
this might help as well..
gah, didn’t even get around to what Bush literally stated, what the UN literally claimed, or about the entire Intelligence Community literally being in sync vs what the media reported via the LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH DEMS, not to mention what Obama said, then didn’t say, etc.. you get the gist.. aah, there’s just way too much to catch you up on, yet you spew headlines straight from the DNC’s stalking points like they was written in stone.. *sigh*
(btw: not my fault if the post comes out wacky looking, blame GP.. :D)
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October 31st, 2009 | 4:07 pm | #106
I am a parrot? And who are you parroting? You are repeating something you have heard or read are you not?
Good Lord, Sherry, you are simple-minded are you not? It’s not “parroting” when one recites verifiable facts, regardless of where they came from. Nor is is “parroting” when one links verifiable facts together with reasoning to form a logical argument. That’s all I did in my post above, and it’s what nearly every poster does here every day.
When (if?) you ever learn to use facts that you’ve verified to form a logical argument, instead of parroting partial truths and nonsensical arguments picked up from leftwing propagandists, then you’ll have earned the right to be engaged in “intelligent conversation” here. Till then, I’m afraid you’ll probably continue to get the mocking you so roundly deserve.
October 31st, 2009 | 5:55 pm | #107
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re: [18 UN WMD violations]
duh, make that resolutions..
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October 31st, 2009 | 5:57 pm | #108
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JPL17..
sarc on/
but, but, but headlines are facts!! :D
/sarc off
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October 31st, 2009 | 6:06 pm | #109
++
Sherry Collins..
The Facts on Halliburton
you can cross check, i have..
ps..
and that source is asscoiated
with Ayers/Obama, go figure..
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October 31st, 2009 | 6:10 pm | #110
++
eh, might as well ad this on to the previous..
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October 31st, 2009 | 6:11 pm | #111
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October 31st, 2009 | 7:28 pm | #112
“Yep cash for clunkers was a success because it got some GM folks back to work. I’m sure they would disagree with your assessment that it was unsuccessful.”
And what about the taxpayers who had to PAY for it, Sherry? Would they argue it was successful? Why should they pay to put people at GM back to work? And what does CfC do to repair the fundamental problems GM is suffering with its sales?
You are economically illiterate.
October 31st, 2009 | 8:20 pm | #113
More for the economically iliterate troll.
Mission Accomplished! Fannie Mae Loan Delinquency Rate Skyrockets 300% Over 2008
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/10/fannie-mae-loan-delinquency-rate.html
October 31st, 2009 | 9:23 pm | #114
Amanda is correct. You will lose when you pick a side. This is what the life time politicians want you to do. Neither party can be trusted to look out for the voter’s interest. First, they will look out for their own interest. I’m sure there are ethical politicians who want to do a good job, but they haven’t been in congress for
Multiple terms and multiple years. Will congress be covered by the same government insurance? This question should be asked every day to every member of congress.
Amanda is correct. You will lose when you pick a side. This is what the lift time politicians want you to do. Neither party can be trusted to look out for the voters interest. They will first look out for their own interest. I’m sure there are ethical politicians who want to do a good job, but they haven’t been in congress for
multiple terms and multiple years. Will congress be covered by the same government insurance? This question should be asked every day to every member of congress.
November 1st, 2009 | 9:37 am | #115
No you are doing worse that parroting, you are cutting and pasting some stats that you googled. Your arguments have been debunked so long ago, but if you want to go through the motions then lets go.
Five resolutions 660,678,686,687,1441.
R660 says for Hussein to get out of Kuwait.
R678 allowed use of force to remove Sadaam Hussein out of Kuwait. It was a trigger to 660 and the only resolution that allowed use of force.
R686 was the cease fire which encompassed 660 and 678.
In 1991 Sadaam Hussein is found to have nuclear capability.
R687 is signed that says Sadaam Hussein will face SANCTIONS if he doesn’t dismantle his nuclear facilities.
In 1998 it was reported that Sadaam Hussein WAS IN COMPLIANCE with 687. Clinton did not lift the sanctions.
Fast forward to 2002 and we find Bush presenting R1441 to the UN for resolution. R1441 said that Sadaam Hussein was out of compliance with 687. R687 called for SANCTIONS, NOT FORCE.
So where did Bush legally have a right to go to war with Iraq. The only resolution that he could legally used to invade Iraq was R686.
R1441 included a complaint about WMDs of which there was no evidence that he had and even if he did, the only legal remedy Bush had was sanctions.
It is illegal for the President TO LIE to take us into war. What part of that don’t you understand.
Bush wanted to remove Sadaam Hussein even before 9/11, and 9/11 gave him cover to do an end run around the middle to get into Iraq. Come on, I know you know that.
I am hardly impressed with your name calling to try and show how intelligent you are. Its a sad individual that has to tear somebody else down to lift themselves up.
To be mocked by you is rather a compliment. I would be worried if you didn’t.
November 1st, 2009 | 10:33 am | #116
“Sherry”, cupcake, educate yourself. This site has links, pdf files and videos. No opinions, just facts. Can’t wait to see how you apply your circular logic to this.
Knock yourself out, troll.
Reasons for War: Things you may have forgotten about Iraq
http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/
November 1st, 2009 | 11:07 am | #117
You better check your facts. Cheney as SOD awarded his old company Haliburton the contracts to rebuild Kuwait. Then Cheney privatizes the rebuilding of countries and awards that contract to Haliburton.
In 2001 Cheney awarded Haliburton an open ended contract to provide Army supplies and Navy reconstruction, again no bid. This contract has no ceiling and no end.
So you are incorrect, it did not start with Clinton. By the time Clinton got there, Haliburton already had iron clad contracts given out by Cheney.
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