From the Dutch website Katholiek Nieuwsblad via Islam in Europe: According to the article Muslim leaders are very concerned about a wave of conversions. In Sudan, 800,000 Muslims supposedly converted Christianity.
Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:46 PM
Jim Hoft
November 15th, 2009 | 12:51 pm | #1
Oh good! More to massacre or sell into slavery. No wonder they were worried, they were running out…
November 15th, 2009 | 1:12 pm | #2
How do I translate into English?
November 15th, 2009 | 1:13 pm | #3
an article i read some years back on christian converts from islam who reported of a man in a white rob coming to them in their dreams.
http://isaalmasih.net/isa/dreamsofisa.html
November 15th, 2009 | 1:19 pm | #4
Thank You Lord. There is nobody like Jehovah!!!
November 15th, 2009 | 1:20 pm | #5
Squeaky,
If you go to answering-islam.org, you will find that most of the people who converted has similiar experiences!! God is so righteous!
November 15th, 2009 | 1:29 pm | #6
Never mind my earlier post. I figured out how to translate.
November 15th, 2009 | 1:31 pm | #7
Pray for Southern Sudan. Referendum for Independence in 2011 – part of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA), the North (Khartoum) agreed to the current Southern autonomy and a Southern-wide vote for independence.
The mostly Christian and animist South went to war, remember, to fight the Northern-imposed Sharia law.
Kinda funny, hmm? The South fighting against the North’s War of Agression against the imposition of slavery?
Europeans don’t really “get” the irony, but Americans do.
November 15th, 2009 | 1:46 pm | #8
Looks like they have seen the darkness of Islam up close and personal and chose the light.
November 15th, 2009 | 2:24 pm | #9
Oh goody! more targets for the Religion of Peace. [/sarc]
November 15th, 2009 | 2:50 pm | #10
Muslims are converting to Christianity in record numbers .. it’s just not widely reported. For an enlightening read, check out Joel Rosenberg’s “Inside the Revolution”.
November 15th, 2009 | 3:00 pm | #11
Our POTUS, NAACP, Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton, Debra Jackson Lee, et al., could not care less about the human beings in Sudan. All they want you to remember is THEY have been victims and WE must never forget and never stop paying. In the mean time slavery is being practiced, women and children (boys and girls) are raped and forced into slavery — if they aren’t slaughtered by Muslims. Why isn’t our MIA (African American) POTUS standing up and bringing full weight of his office to pressure these slave traders? Oh …yeah… Sudan is a Muslim country..Dark continent? A shame on their house? Indeed.
November 15th, 2009 | 3:05 pm | #12
[...] From my fellow FT’er, comes news that there are, apparently, 800,000 new Muslim converts to Christianity. [...]
November 15th, 2009 | 3:26 pm | #13
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turn, turn, turn..
a time for reclamation..
faster please..
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November 15th, 2009 | 3:33 pm | #14
This is good news; now give them guns so they can protect themselves.
November 15th, 2009 | 4:30 pm | #15
Somehow I’m not buying it.
Islam will perish eventually, but, sadly it won’t be by attrition to conversions. It’s like Nazism and the rest of history’s bad ideas that died violently where they stood.
November 15th, 2009 | 5:30 pm | #16
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a tad OT, or on the other hand so to speak..
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser
[In your activism, you've explained how political Islam dominates mosques and institutions of the American Muslim community. Would somebody like Hasan find an ideological home there?
Absolutely. And this is the part that is so difficult to explain, but to me as a Muslim is so easy to understand. Political Islam is an outgrowth of modern secular fascism. In the Middle East, the mosque was the only place you could discuss politics safely, where the government wouldn't touch you, so Islam became politicized. That's the model that the Muslim Brotherhood followed and brought to the United States. They were the ones who built mosques.
This has been a frustrating thing for me as a Muslim activist. Many Muslims disagree with political Islam, but they're not pressured to take on the mosque leadership. So you have discussions in the mosque going far beyond theology and the example of the Prophet; imams use the pulpit, or minbar as it's called in Arabic, to discuss politics. I've seen this over and over again in mosques I've attended.
At the largest mosque in Phoenix, the imam took a picture that CAIR distributed, and made a poster – we think it was doctored – showing an Iraqi lady holding a sign next to an American soldier, saying, "I was knocked up by this soldier." The imam held that up in front of 500 people in the mosque. I later said to him, "Not only is that very offensive to me, but do you realize what you've just done to the minds of students here at Arizona State University by showing them that picture?"
And you wonder how Hasans are created! They go to mosques, they open themselves spiritually to have a conversation with God. And that becomes infiltrated by a deeply anti-American sentiment. This is where you get a guy like Hasan, a very intelligent guy, starting to make the connection between his identity as a Muslim and standing against America. It's no different than Lee Harvey Oswald, who was in the Marines becoming a Marxist. You can't deny that his Marxism played a role in his hatred for this country.]
i personally wish Jasser would run
with Palin or vise verse in 2012!!
fyi: well worth 30 minutes of your time, as he is
risking his life trying to save yours, mine & ours..
much more here..
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November 15th, 2009 | 10:26 pm | #17
I was on a mission trip to Morocco last year and met with about 50 Christian converts. They are on the downlow there. They believe that more than 10% of their population is turning to Christianity and that may be a low number. These converts are not going to come out and declare this fact else they be killed, exiled, raped, etc.
Now really, who is in control — the Omnipotent One of course.
November 15th, 2009 | 10:52 pm | #18
I hate to be the one to burst people’s bubble but I’m in touch with the major networks of missionary news and statistics and nothing on this scale is being reported for Muslims in Sudan. Evangelicals follow this sort of thing assiduously and they love to crunch numbers.
Arab World Ministries puts it this way:
“Estimates of Sudanese Muslims who have become Christians range from 200 to 2000. With decades of prayer and nearly fruitless ministry behind, a harvest among Northern Sudanese Muslims seems to be beginning.”
Operation World sums it up this way:
“The population in the north is largely Sunni Muslim, though among them are 300,000 or more Coptic Christians and maybe 2 million southern Christians displaced by war. Sufi religious orders are strong – especially Ansar, followers of the famous Mahdi. A small but increasing number have become Christians – disillusioned by Islam and attracted to Jesus. There are probably some thousands of these. There are reports of whole villages turning to Christ. Pray that their numbers may increase. There is a remarkable openness among many.”
So there have been some conversions but maybe 2,000 – which is really significant but not 800,000.
I think the source of these numbers is Joel Rosenberg who is an evangelical who writes popular thriller novels. His numbers are greatly exaggerated. (I don’t know where he got them.)
There are really significant numbers of Muslims becoming Christians in the past 20 -30 years – but not numbers like this. The largest numbers that I have ever seen reported are 10,000 (Algeria) or 20,000 (Turkey) – which are staggering – if you know the history of Muslim missions.
When you hear suspiciously large, rounded numbers like this – millions or hundreds of thousands of Muslims becoming Christians – always check out the numerous evangelical missionary resources online – Joshua report, Operation World, or some of the agencies focusing on the Muslim world.
Cause chances are, those numbers, as in this case, are wildly inflated.
November 16th, 2009 | 1:12 am | #19
Apostates. They’re all going to be killed. They commit the worst possible crime in islam.
November 16th, 2009 | 11:53 am | #20
These 800,000 people probably watch a loved one get tortured, killed and raped…probably in that order.
Islam is a violent and sadistic religion based on death, torture and attrition.
F**k Islam
November 16th, 2009 | 12:28 pm | #21
The Lord never abandons his flock. Our prayers are being heard.
November 18th, 2009 | 1:33 pm | #22
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re: Katholiek Nieuwsblad
‘Miljoenen moslims nu christen’
English translation:
“Millions of Muslims are Christians’
[According to official statistics do not exist, but in the Arab and Muslim world has been a wave of converts to Christianity. Catholic Newspaper quotes in the next edition of Friday a number of Muslim leaders who are very concerned.
"There are a disaster taking place within Islam," said one of them. In a country like Sudan knocks the cruelty of the Islamic regime against Christians off many Muslims. In a country like Sudan knocks the cruelty of the Islamic regime against Christians off many Muslims. 800,000 of them have become Christians. 800.000 of them have become Christians.
In all Arab-Muslim countries is prohibited evangelism and conversion to Christianity is punishable by law. Conversions are therefore not officially registered and many dare not openly come out. In Europe: according to Magdi Allam, the Egyptian Muslim in the Easter Vigil of 2008 was baptized by the pope, the continent is in a "new catacombekerk" created. Conversions are therefore not officially registered and many dare not openly come out. In Europe: according to Magdi Allam, the Egyptian Muslim in the Easter Vigil of 2008 was Baptized by the pope, the continent is in a "new catacombekerk" arise.]
may i note there is no time frame given..
it also makes no sense for a number of MUSLIM LEADERS to “puff up”
the convert stats.. what could possibly be the reasoning behind that??
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November 22nd, 2009 | 7:34 am | #23
Christianity thrives best when it is persecuted. Islam is the fastest growing religion but that is due to their birth rate. If you limit the scope to adult conversions, Christianity leaves all the rest in the dust. So, a lot of kids are being born into Muslim families, but they have a good likelihood of not staying that way.
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