They lost the Virginia gubanatorial race by 18 points in a state Barack Obama won by 6 points last year.
They lost the New Jersey gubanatorial race by 4 points in a state Barack Obama won by 15 points last year.
Via Breitbart
But, facts don’t matter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi
She celebrated today saying, “We won last night.”
“From our perspective, we won last night,” the California Democrat told reporters during a Wednesday photo op. “We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat. So, from our standpoint, no, a candidate was victorious who supports health care reform, and his remarks last night said this was a victory for health care reform and other initiatives for the American people.”
She’s still ready to ram that nationalized health care bill through the House this week.
UPDATE: 2 lies in 1 statement.
As pointed out below. Democrat Bill Owens campaigned against the public option.
Pelosi was lying.
And, Democrat Michael R. McNulty represented NY-23 from 1989-1993.
But, it sounds better when you say “the first time since the Civil War.”
November 4th, 2009 | 1:03 pm | #1
Uhm… I thought the Dem NY23 delegate did not support healthcare. Am I wrong?
November 4th, 2009 | 1:04 pm | #2
Nancy Pelosi is the democrat speaker of the HOUSE. The HOUSE picked up a democrat seat last night. Technically, Pelosi is correct.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:06 pm | #3
The ‘Queen’ has a twisted view of reality!
November 4th, 2009 | 1:07 pm | #4
IT WAS NOT HELD BY REPUBLICANS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. THE MSM AND DEMOCRATS ARE IDIOTS!
Michael R. McNulty Democratic 1989 – 1993
Sherwood Boehlert Republican 1993 – 2003
John M. McHugh Republican 2003 – 2009
November 4th, 2009 | 1:08 pm | #5
On top of that, the guy is a Blue Dog. He campaigned AGAINST THE PUBLIC OPTION.
So Pelosi is fooling herself if she thinks she just got another vote.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:09 pm | #6
As far as I am concerned the more she truly believes what she says the better.
It will only hasten her departure.
(She should look up the definition of delusional in my opinion)
November 4th, 2009 | 1:11 pm | #7
“We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War.
Correct me if I’m wrong, here, Nancy and Magic Dog, but according to this chart the seat has been held by one Unionist and 17 Democrats since the Civil War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_congressional_district
To quote Magic Dog, “Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!”
November 4th, 2009 | 1:19 pm | #8
Three points:
First: Given that Ft. Drum is in NY-23, the margin of victory could very easily have been overcome by military absentee ballots that were cast for the R on the ticket long before Scozzafava withdrew.
Second: Up until a month ago, Pelosi was in a win-win situation: if Owens won, she got a Democrat vote; if Scozzafava won, she got the vote of a RINO who was even more liberal than Owens (and who probably would have switched parties, anyway). In other words: before the Hoffman impact, Pelosi was picking up a vote, regardless of the party with whom the winner caucused.
Thus, Pelosi can only claim a “win” here (in any meaningful way) due to the goalpost-moving impact of Hoffman.
That a no-name candidate running as a strong conservative (in a supposedly “moderate-liberal” Republican district) and who a month ago was dead in the water not only forced the liberal RINO to withdraw and quite nearly knocked off Owens (even after Scozzafava endorsed him) should be a matter of extreme alarm for Pelosi. In NY-23, 46% voted for a third-party conservative, and 51% voted against the Republican-endorsed Democrat – in an election that will be repeated in 364 days.
Third: Owens doesn’t represent the ObamaCare win Pelosi claims. Owens campaigned against a public option. (Does anyone here think that Scozzafava would have done anything other than support ObamaCare fully?)
So, in the end, Pelosi increased her caucus by one, but with respect to the Crown Jewel – ObamaCare – the result was, at best, a push.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:40 pm | #9
With Dede they thought they were in a win-win situation…better if Dede had won.
Hoffman was a contender, and would have won had Dede stayed in the race.
Watch out for the wolves in sheep’s clothing in the RNC.
They libs and RINOs are mostly relieved that they pulled it off, since they had put so much into it.
Shame on them for playing dirty. The bill they won’t be able to pay will come in 2010.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:41 pm | #10
Well, crimony.
Seeing as how the lefties have managed to convince themselves that last night was a STAGGERING defeat for all us “ReichKKK-wingers,” I guess this means that Congress will dig in its heels and push the latest variation on ObamaCare (aka PelosiCare aka TakeOverTheWholeDamnedCountryCare) even harder than ever.
Well, go ahead, Dems. You won the whole world last night, so go all Ceaucescu on us. As evil and mean and scary as we rightwingers all are, it’s guaranteed that we’ll ever find a way to make you pay for your overreaching, isn’t it?
/sarc
/bemused-at-it-all
November 4th, 2009 | 1:42 pm | #11
Huh. “Gubanatorial.”
Ever since I was twelve years old, I’ve been spelling it “gubernatorial.” I guess I’ve been spelling it wrong.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:49 pm | #12
I’m convinced that woman doesn’t know how to tell the truth. I came to that conclusion when I heard her say “500 million Americans lose their jobs every month that we go without this stimulus” (to that effect). Good thing I have a DVR, because I had to rewind several times to make sure she really said 500 million… every month?! Considering there are only around 300 million people total in America… hmmm… I was dying laughing.
November 4th, 2009 | 1:52 pm | #13
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November 4th, 2009 | 1:53 pm | #14
[...] 2 lies in 1 statement. As pointed out below. Democrat Bill Owens campaigned against the public option. Pelosi was [...]
November 4th, 2009 | 1:54 pm | #15
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listening to Rush..
he just played a tape of a CNN news reporter explaining what went down
in NY-23.. it was excellent, hope we can somehow get a hold of the tape..
don’t know how to spell her name (Debra pro: Hi-rick), but he
said she’d probably get in big trouble via him just mentioning it..
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November 4th, 2009 | 1:54 pm | #16
Nazi Pelosi doesn’t know history. She is just reading the trolls in GP.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:01 pm | #17
What took a defeat last night was the Democrat policy of government taxation as a solution to all problems, especially in New Jersey. The thug machine still came up short there.
I have a feeling that when midterms roll around there is a remote chance, very remote, that she may realize it was a mistake to ridicule the town hall and Tea Party discontent.
As my favorite TPP sign says: Ram it down our throats 2009 and we’ll shove it up your ass in 2010.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:08 pm | #18
This was a special election that was for the remainder of a term. Next year their will be a new election for the same seat.
Things to ponder:
1) Will the RNC try to run another RINO?
2) Will Hoffman work on his public skills and run again?
3) How big a campaign war chest does Hoffman have?
4) Will his campaign money sway the RNC to back him if he so choses?
5) Do you think the “political celebrities” that supported him are urging him to run again?
6) Do you think they will back him again?
November 4th, 2009 | 2:09 pm | #19
Hey, GP. Where did you get that picture of “Chuckie” Pelosi?
Mua, ha, ha, ha.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:12 pm | #20
The numbers don’t lie. The NYT reports with 95% of precincts reporting, Owens 49.4%, Hoffman 45% and Scozzafava 5.6%. I add this up and Republican/Conservatives got 50.6% of the vote. As Chip above says, military absentee voters, and I’ll add party line voters, made up Dede’s vote, which in a more normal race, means the Democrats have nothing to cheer about.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:13 pm | #21
I believe the Civil war started in January.
The first shots were fired at the BATTLE OF SUSAN ROSEGANS in February 2009, and the BATTLE OF PORK followed shortly thereafter.
Then we had the Cash for Bureaucrats battle in which we spent $24,000 dollars of play money for each car Government Motors sold.
So Pelosi is correct. Owens is the first Democrat since the Civil war in NY’s 23rd.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:13 pm | #22
GP, I clipped the video of Pelosi, “We won last night” here:
http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/11/pelosi-we-won-last-night-huh-video.html
November 4th, 2009 | 2:18 pm | #23
Does anyone other than me find it odd that the NY 23rd race posted a 10 point swing literally overnight? Just one day before the election, Hoffman held a lead of anywhere from 4-6 points, depending upon which poll you read. If this is true, Hoffman lost up to 10% overnight with no remarkable incidents. The RINO had already given her support to the Dem prior to the poll. I smell a big rat. The rat looks like a donkey to me.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:21 pm | #24
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November 4th, 2009 | 2:23 pm | #25
Republicans win big was the headline in the Hartford Courant this morning. They must have been choking as they printed those words. In my home town the Republicans won 4 to 1. CT is as blue as you get, my town is no exception. Everyone one I talked to said they voted straight party line to try and stop Obama’s socialist change. Send a message so to say. The same applied to me and my husband, he, a Union man and me, a recovering Democrat now Independent. There is hope. Americans are free people, they have never known anything else, they are getting a taste of Marxism and they don’t like it. The government is getting too intrusive and they must be stopped. American is all about doing your thing, your way and with whom you wish to do it with :).
November 4th, 2009 | 2:26 pm | #26
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what Nancy (can’t see past her nose) neglected to note was that Republicans
won the majority of local district elections, especially in and around upstate
NY..
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November 4th, 2009 | 2:28 pm | #27
Clearly, Madame Speaker didn’t learn anything from yesterday’s results. So much the better. The bloodbath that awaits her and the rest of her ilk in 2010, will be that much greater.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:30 pm | #28
May I ask what happened in your state who took the majority of the vote?
November 4th, 2009 | 2:33 pm | #29
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ps re: bg @ 1:54 pm #15
she also called Dede exactly what she was..
a SPOILER!!
(she believed Hoffman would have won w/o Dede being on the ballot (also heard Rush say that both Dede and Owens were listed on the ballot twice, whatever that means, i’m not sure.. but i’m with Mike G. on the scent of donkey-rat)..
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November 4th, 2009 | 2:35 pm | #30
Mike G I wondered about that myself. I heard he was up 9 points as of Monday. I’ll go with your numbers.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:38 pm | #31
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just my opinion, but i believe there weren’t many blacks or youth voters out
(as has been reported) because ACORN layed low (as not to tip the boat) on
this election.. saving their expertize for the next..
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November 4th, 2009 | 2:43 pm | #32
@Mike G:
I wouldn’t put too much trust in the accuracy of those late polls. Given the monumental change (one major-party candidate dropping out) at such a late stage (one week before the election), I doubt that any of the pollsters could have plausibly accounted for those changes accurately.
Bottom line: the polls simply weren’t accurate.
IMHO, the RNC running ads against Hoffman, plus Scozzafava endorsing Owens, plus the pre-voted absentee ballots (cast before the voted candidate dropped out) accounted for the vast majority of the reason that Hoffman came up just short.
The rest is probably accounted for the Obama machine’s GOTV effort (something they’re very good at – especially concentrated on a specific, local race such as this one).
That Hoffman came up a bit short is not the story, but rather that he quite nearly pulled off the upset of the century.
November 4th, 2009 | 2:56 pm | #33
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Chip Bennett @ 2:43 pm | #32
re: [That Hoffman came up a bit short is not the story, but
rather that he quite nearly pulled off the upset of the century.]
and by most politically honest opinions,
would have if Dede wasn’t on the ballot..
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November 4th, 2009 | 3:03 pm | #34
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”~ Joseph Goebbels
November 4th, 2009 | 3:03 pm | #35
George Steph or Gibbs started the whole “since the civil war thing”
November 4th, 2009 | 3:04 pm | #36
Looks like Pelosi’s gonna need another meeting with:
THE AMERICAN REGENT
November 4th, 2009 | 3:08 pm | #37
Chip Bennett
Given that Ft. Drum is in NY-23, the margin of victory could very easily have been overcome by military absentee ballots that were cast for the R on the ticket long before Scozzafava withdrew.
Chip, this is a really good point.
November 4th, 2009 | 3:10 pm | #38
Clearly, the Speaker of the House was referring to the civil war within the Democratic Party in 2008 when Barack Obama challenged Hillary Clinton.
November 4th, 2009 | 3:28 pm | #39
Why are there no Obamaites?
snip-
Obama wanted to be President, not to lead, but just to win. Now that he has won, he has no core set of governing principles other than what impacts Barack Obama. He has offered no leadership on any part of his agenda all year long, content to have Nancy Pelosi run it for him. His foreign policy thus far consists entirely of making himself personally popular with the world. On Afghanistan, Obama has thus far allowed Robert Gates and David Petraeus to make his decisions, only balking at the moment because the McChrystal strategy puts him at odds with his base, which could erode his popularity.
We’ve complained a number of times about the cult of personality that surrounds Obama, but as Todd implies with this answer, it’s really all Obama has.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/04/video-why-are-there-no-obamaites/comment-page-1/#comments
November 4th, 2009 | 3:37 pm | #40
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naturalfake @ 3:04 pm #36
excellent!!
thank you.. (thumbsup)
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November 4th, 2009 | 3:49 pm | #41
Pelosi: I invented the douchbag, no wait! I’m the douchbag.
November 4th, 2009 | 3:53 pm | #42
AND, lest we forget, there was no Republican running! Even the Democrat in Drag Scoffa-Lavazza exited the race. The outcome could have been very different without that subversive joker. Shame on the RNC for ever endorsing her.
November 4th, 2009 | 3:58 pm | #43
Acorn stayed low! no, they just worked through their other labels. Obama found out he is not the be all and end all. He is simply a man who can only peddle himself, his ego empowers him. That is very obvious. His election was about the historical moment, not the man. America started in the small towns and that is where it will begin again. We are returning to the land of liberty, let there be no doubt. The silent majority is speaking, listen up.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:08 pm | #44
Hypogean
“We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War.
Correct me if I’m wrong, here, Nancy and Magic Dog, but according to this chart the seat has been held by one Unionist and 17 Democrats since the Civil War.
What’s even more pathetic is this “Civil War” tidbit has been repeated ad nauseum ad infinitum by key Democrats, the moronic Robert Gibbs included.
It’s truly Orwellian what the modern Democrat does with rhetoric.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:12 pm | #45
Btw, the MSM is repeating another bogus meme, that Palin was the hardest hit in the NY-23 election loss.
She took an independent candidate from 13% to 46%. But that’s considered a loss for her.
What a world.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:14 pm | #46
When people say that New York-23 has been held by Republicans since the Civil War, they mean the geographical area now in NY-23 — not the district that happened to have the number 23.
New York has lost a lot of House seats over the years, and so the district with the number 23 has moved all over. It used to be in the Bronx, later it was in the Albany area, and now it’s up by the Canadian border.
To figure out whether the geographical area has been represented by Republicans since the Civil War, one would have to check the district maps and see what the district number was in each decade after the redistricting.
If you just look at the Wikipedia article “New York’s 23rd congressional district,” you will see lots of Democrats in the district’s history, but most of them weren’t elected from anywhere near the current boundaries of NY-23.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:27 pm | #47
axelrod is on tv repeating pelosi’s statement about no democrat holding that seat since the civil war. rewriting history?? again??
November 4th, 2009 | 4:33 pm | #48
Pelosi is horrendous. I bet she doesn’t get out of bed in the morning without telling her first lie.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:35 pm | #49
This seat will only be a (D) seat for 365 days, if the GOP can pull their heads out and run a proper race there.
November 4th, 2009 | 4:50 pm | #50
The website/wikipedia page for mcNulty says he represented the 21 district of NY — not the 23rd.
Is Pelosi really wrong? (I still hope so)
November 4th, 2009 | 5:05 pm | #51
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November 4th, 2009 | 5:41 pm | #53
JB: This is exactly what I was talking about above. McNulty represented the Albany area, which when he started in Congress was then called NY-23. After redistricting, he represented a similar geographic area which was then called NY-21.
Meanwhile, the number 23 got reassigned twice. The district that Owens won yesterday wasn’t known as the “23rd Congressional District” until the elections in 2002. Before that, it had other boundaries and different numbers.
November 4th, 2009 | 5:50 pm | #54
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November 4th, 2009 | 5:59 pm | #55
“Huh. “Gubanatorial.”
Ever since I was twelve years old, I’ve been spelling it ‘gubernatorial.’ I guess I’ve been spelling it wrong.”
I think you are joking, but if not you have been spelling it right. It is gubernatorial.
November 4th, 2009 | 6:46 pm | #56
It was a victory for the Dems, make no mistake about that, however it was a Pyrrhic victory, a victory which is so costly and has so little effect as to be ‘more trouble than it’s worth.’ Given that Owens is more moderate than S, that definition fits perfectly.
Look at how many people voted….around 125,715. Now combined Owens and S raised over $2,500,000 ($900,000 from the RNC to Scozzafava alone) and only 61,666 votes went to Owens, meaning that each of them cost the left at least $40.54. There were the votes for Scozzafava, however it seems logical that the majority of them were the result of soldiers abroad voting party line early and that with the abrupt changes, that they would have gone to Hoffman.
That type of spending is unsustainable with regard to elections, especially elections to Congress. Corzine spent some $30,000,000.00 in the Jersey governor race, however much of it was from his own pocket. Nonetheless, that $30,000,000.00 only bought him 1,048,827 votes at a price of $28.60 per vote. Despite the massive amount of money put into the race, on average $11.94 or 41.75% less was spent on votes successfully secured by Corzine than votes secured by Owens–and this is a normal governor election, not a congressional off-year election in a state with 26 districts.
November 4th, 2009 | 6:50 pm | #57
‘S’ is the perfect name for her–describes a snake
November 4th, 2009 | 7:00 pm | #58
WE NEED TO DEMAND DRUG TESTING ON ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS!!!
NANCY GET READY TO PEE IN THE CUP…YOU ARE ON SOMETHING IF YOU THINK THAT WAS A WIN…FOR YOUR SIDE.
November 4th, 2009 | 7:07 pm | #59
Pelosi is such a liar;
NY 23 held by Dem–
1843-1847
1851-1853
1875-1877
1883-1887
1891-1893
1913-1915
1917-1921
1923-1973
1979-1993
But don’t look to the state-run media to call her out.
November 4th, 2009 | 7:09 pm | #60
Pelosi is Monty Python’s “Black Night”.
I wonder when her children will have her commited?
November 4th, 2009 | 7:14 pm | #61
nothing brings out the babbling trolls like an epic “a$$ shelacking” Dems got in NJ and Virginia.
There is no way to spin it and frankly, they are humilating themselves infront of the country trying to. Some poeple just don’t know when to quit when they have had their butt’s handed to them on a silver platter. Keep talking Nutty Nan, your sinking yourself and your fellow Democrats even further
November 4th, 2009 | 7:15 pm | #62
bg
November 4th, 2009 | 7:09 pm | #60
Pelosi is Monty Python’s “Black Night”.
I wonder when her children will have her commited?
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When they’re forced to pay for her health care.
November 4th, 2009 | 7:17 pm | #63
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OT..
listening to Michael Steele..
sorry to report folks, but the GOP/RNC
/whatever still doesn’t “get it”, *sigh*
(didn’t mention the word “conservative” once, yet the majority of
Reps that won all over this nation last night were “conservatives”)
someone is asking about “conservatives” & NY-23.. good for him!!
don’t like his answer, he is pitting ‘republicans” against “conservatives”..
he can’t tell one way or another if Scozzafava
would have won yada, yada, yada.. pray for US..
he’s all about what they spent & winning..
sad, very sad..
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November 4th, 2009 | 7:26 pm | #64
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re: bg @ 7:17 pm #63
Michael Steele on 2009 Election Results
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November 4th, 2009 | 7:28 pm | #65
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re: bg @ 7:09 pm #60
i did not write that post..
someone is having fun impersonating me..
lots o luck with that..
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November 4th, 2009 | 7:30 pm | #66
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re: bg @ 7:14 pm #61
okay, didn’t write that post either..
time to find out who..
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November 4th, 2009 | 11:52 pm | #67
Aro5075: See my posts #46 and #53. You are referring to the person who represented the district with the number 23, which has been given to districts in different parts of the state over the years.
The fact that a Democrat represented NY-23 when NY-23 was in the Bronx does not change the fact that, at the time, a Republican was representing the area now in NY-23, the area in the far north of the state.
Put it another way. Charlie Rangel started out representing NY-18, then NY-19, then NY-16, and now NY-15. Has he been moving, or has his district changed numbers? (Hint: the latter.)
November 5th, 2009 | 2:24 am | #68
Speaking of lies, NY-23 was redistricted. Not that the wingnuts care about telling the truth.
November 5th, 2009 | 7:32 am | #69
[...] Jim Hoft: They lost the Virginia gubanatorial race by 18 points in a state Barack Obama won by 6 points last year. They lost the New Jersey gubanatorial race by 4 points in a state Barack Obama won by 15 pointslast year. [...]
November 5th, 2009 | 11:39 am | #70
Magic Dog
November 5th, 2009 | 2:24 am | #68
Speaking of lies, NY-23 was redistricted. Not that the wingnuts care about telling the truth.
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A leftard talking about TRUTH, that’s laughable.!!!
Sorry Pumpkin Dog- Pelosi is a LIAR and anyone who supports her is one of the 19% of leftist nutbags in this country.
Congrats. Mud Dog.
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