India, China, Brazil and South Africa plan to walk out of the international junk science meetings next month in Copenhagen.
The Times of India reported:
In an unprecedented move, India on Saturday joined China and two other developing countries to prepare for a major offensive on rich nations at the Copenhagen conference on climate change next month.
The four countries, which include Brazil and South Africa, agreed to a strategy that involves jointly walking out of the conference if the developed nations try to force their own terms on the developing world, Jairam Ramesh, the Indian minister for environment and forests (independent charge), said.
“We will not exit in isolation. We will co-ordinate our exit if any of our non-negotiable terms is violated. Our entry and exit will be collective,” Ramesh told reporters in Beijing.
The move comes after reports suggested that rich nations led by Denmark are trying to set the agenda of the conference by presenting a draft containing a set of specific proposals.
The BASIC countries-Brazil, South Africa, India and China- decided to throw the gauntlet at rich nations by coming up with a counter-draft that will be presented at the conference. They agreed to let China, which initiated the exercise, to present the draft of the developing nations at Copenhagen.
“This BASIC draft fully meets India’s goals and aspirations. We hope it is made the basis of discussions at the conference,” Ramesh said.
The planet has been cooling since 1998.
Related… Celebrity eco-frauds are waving their green flags… in their private jets.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:01 am | #1
Bravo! to India, China and Brazil for not bowing to the false gods of junk science.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:03 am | #2
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Sharon and DNC Fail!, Paul Alyunov. Paul Alyunov said: India, China, Brazil Plan Joint Exit From Copenhagen Junk Science Talks: India, China, Brazil and South Africa .. http://bit.ly/4tknCw [...]
November 30th, 2009 | 10:15 am | #3
Must be nice to actually have leadership.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:15 am | #4
Let me get this straight:
1) The US will pay for developing countries to go green.
2) We are broke and will need to borrow this money from China.
3) China is a developing country
In other words: we will borrow money from China to give to China. Someone please explain the logic here as it totally escapes ne.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:27 am | #5
And the cap and tax will bankrupt already overtaxed families, though Opie the dimwit will say that cap and tax is not a tax.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:30 am | #6
Now, if we could just get the USA to walk out of this canine and equine extravaganza!
November 30th, 2009 | 10:30 am | #7
“In other words: we will borrow money from China to give to China. Someone please explain the logic here as it totally escapes me.”
It makes total sense when you realize Democrats such as Obama and the Clintons have been taking contributions from foreign countries illegally. I’m sure there are Republicans too, but it would be in smaller, more insignifigant amounts. The media lapdog is watching their donations *much* more carefully…
November 30th, 2009 | 10:32 am | #8
The Left has been blocking Third World development for years under the guises of “environmental issues” and “sustainability.” They seem to think living in mud huts with no water and electricity is “ethnic” or “cute.”
Example: all sorts of earnest “First World people developing improved efficiency wood stoves for village and refugee women “so they don’t have to spend as much time looking for wood to burn to cook family meals.
Right.
WHat did our culture do for OUR wood-burning stove grandmothers? Got them propane,l or electric stoves and indoor plumbing. Improved grandmas’ life expectancy and quality of life overnight.
But perish the thought the average African or ASian woman should have the same access to technology so common and so ubiquitous in the USA that we have two generations who don’t even see how special it is.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:37 am | #9
Social comments and analytics for this post…
This post was mentioned on Twitter by World_Policy: India, China, Brazil Plan Joint Exit From Copenhagen Junk Science Talks: India, China, Brazil and South Africa .. http://bit.ly/4tknCw...
November 30th, 2009 | 10:40 am | #10
India would not have done this to George W. Bush. They simply would have stayed neutral. However, Obama has treated them as second class citizens in the international community, and thus has lost them for the time being as a steadfast American supporter. This again goes to show Obama’s total failure in diplomacy in South Asia.
http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=8951
November 30th, 2009 | 10:42 am | #11
This assures the fool in the whitehouse will sign on to this nonsense. Anything that will destroy the USA and its credibility (let alone funnel untold treasures into obama and friends’ pockets),obama will be sure to agree to.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:44 am | #12
Rajendra Pachauri, Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says: ‘Our lifestyles are unsustainable’, and he just might be right.
However, in the same interview he says an independent inquiry into the emails would achieve little, but there should be a criminal investigation into how the emails came to light. This situation is like the James and Hannah ACORN story – the criminals are let scott-free, but the journalists are made into criminals.
In the end, the warmist alarmist scientists, with their now exposed e-mail fraud, have, ironically, done more harm to the global effort to ratchet down pollution than they ever helped the cause.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:50 am | #13
Not so fast, they are saying pay us enough money and leave us alone, and we will go along with the fraud … Our dear reader probably will bite.
November 30th, 2009 | 10:51 am | #14
“We will co-ordinate our exit if any of our non-negotiable terms is violated.”
In other words, we’re blackmailing you if you really want to live in:
“a twig eatin’, tofu fartin’, lily livered, Prius driving, bleeding heart liberal, elitist, America-hating, namby-pamby, Birkenstock wearing, tree hugging, can’t-we-all-just-get-along, kumbaya-singing, granola eating, Earth First, bed-wetting, dope smoking, bongo playing, world where women let their arm pit hair grow and men shave their arm pit hair.”*
*paraphrased from a post seen at Stilettos in the Sand.
November 30th, 2009 | 11:02 am | #15
It appears as though the underlying struggle for power motivated by greed is bubbling to the surface and Copenhagen may just showcase the boiling point. If the US/Obama agenda does in fact propose/impose specific regulations on what are defined as “developing nations”, we are likely going to see the first real signs of international opposition to the Obama objective; control.
I can’t wait to see what will happen; will it be ‘damage control’ regarding the emails and whether or not climate change is in fact influenced my man? Will it be a ‘walk out’ from developing nations refusing to be bullied? Or will it simply be business as usual among UN participants? Either way, it’s certainly worth a watch…
East Anglia emails can be found here:
http://the-raw-deal.com/2009/11/30/you-want-the-emails-here-they-are/
I still have hours of reading to do in order to ‘fully’ understand the depth of this climate corruption showcased in the emails. This is the start of something big and it all goes back to money, power and control. People get ready.
Nathan R. Jessup
http://www.the-raw-deal.com
November 30th, 2009 | 11:15 am | #16
Oh my. You people are as deluded as they come. I wouldn’t know where to begin, really. Just… wow.
November 30th, 2009 | 11:27 am | #17
koloman, don`t weasel out. Just pick one post. Go ahead. Pick one and run it through some critical analysis. Enlighten us with your intellectual capabilities.
November 30th, 2009 | 11:30 am | #18
#16: LOL!!
November 30th, 2009 | 11:35 am | #19
Related: International Negotiations Result in China and India Agreeing Not to Laugh at U.S. Global Warming Policies http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/09/international-negotiations-result-in.html
November 30th, 2009 | 11:46 am | #20
JR
November 30th, 2009 | 10:44 am | #12
Rajendra Pachauri, Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says: ‘Our lifestyles are unsustainable’, and he just might be right.
————————-
He is more likely wrong.
The U.S. is the Saudi Arabia of coal. We have millions of cubic tons of untapped natural gas. We also have oil for which we can’t drill, thanks to political forces who were duly elected.
Did I mention nuclear energy? Our lifestyles in the U.S. are not lived at the expense of the Third World.
Leaders in these poor nations should be asked, after billions in aid have been given to them, why their citizens huddle around kerosene stoves in squalid slums. Where is their energy development? They have put more into the global warming fraud which is officially corrupt. Stop the aid and let them rely on the Free Market, the highway to freedom.
November 30th, 2009 | 11:51 am | #21
I believe that Babsy put it best.
Since there’s no sense in trying to discuss the matter with a “true believer” in the cult of “global warming” (lol), it’s best to simply laugh at them for the fools and zealots that they are and let them live with their delusions.
Funny thing, though. I don’t see a lot of them running off to live in a tipi in the woods and reducing their “carbon footprint” (again, lol) so that they can do their part to “save the Earth”.
November 30th, 2009 | 1:02 pm | #22
The most troubling part of the article..
.. should send tingles of fear up and down the legs of Team Obama and all foreign policy analysts.
November 30th, 2009 | 1:15 pm | #23
Where does that leave us the US (a poor nation), are we also going to walk out of this meeting. We also want a handout, the facts are we are poorer than china. We are the largest banana republic in the West, yet we don’t produce bananas.
I wish I was kidding, but I’m not.
November 30th, 2009 | 1:42 pm | #24
“Junk Science”? Is this the retard blog? If we really are screwed, I plan to charge readers of this site $50 payable to me so that I can live on.
November 30th, 2009 | 2:12 pm | #25
Dunno. India does not trust China (China invaded India and took territory) and China backs the brutal Burma Myanmar regime which gives it close up surveillance of anything India does militarily. India also believes China to be manuvering with Pakistan against India.
BUT, India is on the BRINK of feeling BETRAYED by the OBAMA/DEMOCRAT Administration – an about-face from President Bush’s strengthening of ties with India as a full and critical ally. Indian PM Manmohan Singh told Washington this week to STAY the course in Afghanistan – crithcal to Indian and regional stability, but the WHite House and the MSM have made no mention of Singh’s statements. Indians are very likely to see any US withdrawal or wimping out of Afghanistan as a sign that Obama could care less about US-Indian alliances and security issues.
Brilliant! Diss an ally of a billion people – a democracy in favor of a communist totalitarian regime. Don’t forget Hillary arrived, representing the OBama Administration’s priorities to tell the Indians to cut back on production, “To save the planet.” How about saving some 300 million dirt-poor Indians from abject poverty, first?
One insult after another!
CHina and Brazil are no suprise – Lula of Brazil is communist and a buddy of CHavez, to the point of smuggling the communist Zelaya back into Honduras via the Brazilian embassy. They would LOVE to upend the Europeans – to strip them of international power – a bunch of rinky-dink mini countries compared to China, even to Brazil, setting up the new “world order” of communism.
India, feeling disregarded and dissed by America, would be interested, but no ally of China.
November 30th, 2009 | 2:21 pm | #26
“Junk Science”? Is this the retard blog? If we really are screwed, I plan to charge readers of this site $50 payable to me so that I can live on.
………..
If there was ONE comment that could concisely summarize everything anyone needs to know about the Progressive Left – life, education, morals and politics, that’s it.
November 30th, 2009 | 6:34 pm | #27
Unfortunately, they are not protesting the looney junk science, they are trying to maximize the cash they will get.
#13 bill-tb, you got it exactly right.
November 30th, 2009 | 7:33 pm | #28
Define irony;
The worlds richest country (China) which used to be one of the worlds poorest, before it was developed by floods of money by rich countries, walks out on talks focusing on developing poor countries.
P.S. The worlds richest country still has the lowest individual income per person on the earth.
November 30th, 2009 | 11:31 pm | #29
What a mess. What hopeful news.
Obviously, Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is at best unproven. Global warming itself appears to be a natural cycle (think about the Medieval Warming Period (MWP). Global warming hysteria is driven by a desire for power, not scientific concern. So, this Copenhagen conference is based on fraud. It shouldn’t even be occurring.
The ‘developing’ countries see the conference as an opportunity to blackmail the ‘developed’ countries for serious money and concessions.
The ‘developed’ countries see the conference as an opportunity to increase political power.
If the ‘developing’ countries walk out and cause a breakdown on the conference, their lust for position and concessions will end up accomplishing a good, if the consequence is a general failure of the conference.
This won’t be the first time Providence has used bad motives for good results. The collapse of scientific credibility of AGW theory just adds to the confusion and weakens the authority of the entire proceedings.
So all this is actually good news, I think.
Best regards, Peter Warner.
December 7th, 2009 | 11:53 pm | #30
Sir,
USA has very cleverly shifted focus from its reluctance to observe KYOTO PROTOCOL to one of BRIC countries reluctance to follow climate change protocol of the west. India needs lower emissions standards, stopping plastic usage and clean TOILETS FOR ALL who use public places like bazaars,temples, melas etc. climate change is actually a game by carbon credit MNC funded hoax led by GOLDMAN SACHS,
Links
Blogs
Find Us
Contact