Speaker Pelosi was confronted by a local reporter on the legality of jailing Obamacare evaders during a presss conference in Seattle:
Here is part of the exchange:
KOMO News reporter Shomari Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?
Pelosi: …The legislation is very fair in this respect.
From the video:
According to Committee On Ways & Means Republicans Ranking Member, Dave Camp, “the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage and who choose not to pay the bills new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.”
HotAirPundit has more video of the Speaker being confronted by an independent journalist on Pelosicare being a jobs killer that will drive us back to more recession.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:02 am | #1
So I guess that pretty much means there won’t be any private insurance for people to purchase any longer.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:03 am | #2
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November 11th, 2009 | 11:05 am | #3
Pelosi: …The legislation is very fair in this respect.
Fair for me to pay for abortions?
Fair for me to pay for the health care for “undocumented Americans”?
Fair for my quality of health care to be reduced?
Doesn’t seem so fair to me.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:08 am | #4
When us “tea baggers” and 9-12ers refuse to purchase the insurance plans that the annointed ones in D.C. deem appropriate, how many of us will they send to jail? Will they empty out Gitmo and use it for us who will be identified as more dangerous to the republic than the terrorists? Meanwhile, Gitmo detainees have menus and are ordering out. The world is laughing at us. The Founders are rolling over in their graves……God help us!
November 11th, 2009 | 11:10 am | #5
Hmmmmmm …
So I assume Pelosi has no problem with jailing and deporting illegals who get free medical care which is paid by the US taxpayer.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:10 am | #6
Really?
I’d pretty much think there should be jail time for people who support this bill:
AMERICAN PSYCHO
November 11th, 2009 | 11:10 am | #7
She is on meds – seriously – she is on some heavy meds.
Any pharmacists out there hazard a guess at what she is on?
.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:13 am | #8
Steroids?
November 11th, 2009 | 11:14 am | #9
I had a good grim laugh yesterday when Obama was quoted as saying “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.” Nevermind the whole bleeping bill was initiated as a sop to people who want to force others to pay for their health insurance…
It’s not about health care, it’s never been about health care, it’s about punishing people who disagree with them.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:14 am | #10
Another ploy by democrats to confiscate your money, redistribute wealth and buy votes. Time to dumped your democrats representatives. Vote them all OUT.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:18 am | #11
The whole USA will turn out be the biggest penal system in the world. The government needs to built more and bigger jail then.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:22 am | #12
And of course, we’ll be releasing a horde of rapists and other ne’er-do-wells from prison in order to make room for all the “real” criminals that cross Madame Stretch.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:23 am | #13
I guess we can start jailing illegals who don’t buy car insurance now too, since the liberals love to use car insurance as a parallel.
Or do we just let them go free as in the past?
November 11th, 2009 | 11:23 am | #14
You’d think they’d be ashamed to pass a law that arbitrarily made their fellow countrymen criminals, wouldn’t you? It’s just a sign of exactly how evil and depraved they are.
No, it’s not about healthcare; it’s about seizing control of the government. If you want it back, you’d better start fighting for it. They have no intention of allowing a fair election–especially is their numbers keep heading south.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:29 am | #15
Gee comments just disappear into thin air around here.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:34 am | #16
Paglia on Lib Commentators: Partisan Ideology Desensitizes the Mind
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/11/paglia-media-partisan-ideology-ultimately-desensitizes-mind
November 11th, 2009 | 11:38 am | #17
BTW, I believe Pelosi’s legislation excludes illegal immigrants from penalties.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:45 am | #18
This health bill–and any other like it–needs to die, and any congressman that would vote for it need to be voted out. Pelosi’s meandering and ultimately evasive answers communicate little more than the contempt she has for anyone who doesn’t agree with her. She and the other aristocratic, self-important liberal idiots in government need a wake-up call in 2010 (and then again in 2012).
November 11th, 2009 | 11:45 am | #19
Is Pelosi hires illegal aliens on her vineyard? Does she wants us to pay for their healthcare,too?
November 11th, 2009 | 11:52 am | #20
“…putting a burden on others…”
Does Pelosi ever listen to herself?
November 11th, 2009 | 11:55 am | #21
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/when_our_military_is_attacked.html
Read the whole thing – it is good.
“Obama’s indifference and distaste are on display every day. He golfs while unemployment surges. He pontificates after an attack against America.
Why the “let them eat cake” attitude? Is it because he’s pleased that the Left’s long laid plan to decimate capitalism is working nicely? Is he stubborn, not wanting to do what he doesn’t want to do?
I’d say yes. But there’s something much more unsettling.
He may have a limited ability to care.
Sure Obama loves his wife, children, dog Bo, and himself, especially himself. And he relishes his far left ideology.
But the working stiff, the heart and soul of this country? I don’t see it. The United States? I don’t think so.
And that’s why Obama should never have been elected President.
A man or woman can be a decent President without getting A’s in school or graduating from the Ivy League. They don’t need to have had a Brady Bunch childhood.
They can even lack experience if they work 24/7, know what they don’t know, and seek expert advice.
But there’s one requirement that is nonnegotiable:
They need to be able to care about us.
And, frankly, I don’t know if this President is capable of it.
Robin is a licensed psychotherapist and a recovering liberal in Berkeley.”
November 11th, 2009 | 11:55 am | #22
If I had the $250,000.00 for the fine, I would buy health insurance. So if I dont’ buy the health insurance, they are going to fine me money I don’t have and can’t make in prison. And since I’m in prison, they give me free health care, and room and board. Makes no sense.
Or, can we recind our citizenship, and get free health insurance and no fines?
November 11th, 2009 | 11:56 am | #23
“…we all have to do our part…”
Excuse me Madam Speaker, but congress is exempt.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:01 pm | #24
“…the point is that everyone have access to helthcare…”
…even if it robs us of our liberties or kills us.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:02 pm | #25
Sooohh, I guess the the “end game” is for everyone to renounce their citizenship to get truely free health care and solve the immigration problem simultaneously. Brilliant!
November 11th, 2009 | 12:03 pm | #26
How are they going to get all these so-called lawbreakers sent to jail? It would seem to me, taking into account this law will not be ruled as unconstitutional, you have to have charges filed, arrests made, and then the trial. Or are we going to be sent directly to jail with no trial? I would love to see millions refuse to purchase health insurance just to watch the total collapse of the judicial system.
Perhaps they’ll establish ‘re-education’ camps for those refusing to participate. Of course they’ll have to defend against an insurrection and that will be a lose, lose, for those potentates in DC.
Onward to 2010 and boot them out.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:04 pm | #27
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November 11th, 2009 | 12:05 pm | #28
I’m sorry but this just keeps getting sillier and sillier. I mean, you couldn’t make this stuff up. President Present says that no one should get a free ride yet everyone in Congress is since they don’t have to follow the system they want to force on the rest of us.
And has anyone asked yet whether government workers (Post Office, etc.) are also exempt? Let me tell you…government employees have a pretty sweet benefits package. Will they be asked to give pay more because of the new government mandates or will we the taxpayer have to foot the bill for these “required” benefits? I’ll make a bet that it’s in this bill somewhere.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:15 pm | #29
Everyone in Congress has been on a free ride for much too long. The working folk in the private sector pay taxes which, in turn, pay their salaries. This goes for anyone working for local, state, or federal entities. No government bureaucracy creates anything but does burden the ones paying taxes.
Taxes, insurance premiums paid by government employees do not cover the initial costs which come from the private sector.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:16 pm | #30
Sending people to jail, depriving them of their liberty and property because they do not buy what the government has no legal right to compel them to buy is not what those we honor today had in mind.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:23 pm | #31
There is one easy way to stop this madness… but it needs coordination. We should ALL simultaneously refuse to pay taxes come next April………. EVERYONE. They can’t spend what they don’t have and I dare them to try to put ALL of us in jail.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:24 pm | #32
Well, I suppose if you get thrown in jail for whatever it is that they are saying is wrong, you’ll actually have free healthcare.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:25 pm | #33
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/11/11/the-man-who-despises-america
This is an absolutely great article.
THE MAN WHO DESPISES AMERICA
It is worth saving.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:25 pm | #34
Logistically, I can’t fathom how any of this could be sustainable under our current system of justice. Housing wouldn’t be a problem because they could use closed military bases and staffing them with the likes of ACORN and their minions. So it would seem to me that due process will have to be eliminated.
But we can, and should, take control at the state levels and start telling DC to kiss our collective arses. Onward to 2010.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:26 pm | #35
What if we all decide not to pay and go to jail instead? Wouldn’t that completely overwhelm the system? It would be worth it.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:32 pm | #36
It’s only a matter of time ’til Pelosi orders up the remaining stockpile of East German concrete, cement and rebar.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:35 pm | #37
People who don’t purchase health insurance will be required to either sign up for the “free” govt option or face penalties. Most will opt for the govt option, signing away their right to privacy and access to their bank accounts to the govt. This really is a power grab and a stepping stone to socialism.
By the way, the parallel of auto liability insurance and health insurance isn’t a parallel at all. You don’t have to have auto liability insurance if you don’t own a car and you don’t have to own a car. A body, however…
November 11th, 2009 | 12:36 pm | #38
It would be interesting to watch the jackbooted thugs try to round up people to throw them into the gulags. Unlike other regimes, we are well armed here in the hinderland. One area of the private sector doing very well is in firearm sales.
Has anyone asked themselves what you would do if they tried to confiscate your weapons? Or your neighbor’s? This is worst case I know, but it will reveal your mettle. After all, I don’t recall friends, neighbors, or anyone concerned about individual liberty coming to the defense of other private citizens when attacked by their government.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:39 pm | #39
JoanneNo Gravatar
November 11th, 2009 | 11:29 am | #15
Gee comments just disappear into thin air around here.
Yours, too?
November 11th, 2009 | 12:44 pm | #40
“…They can’t spend what they don’t have…”
-wow
Uh,…yes they can and they have been. If they can’t get what they need in taxes, they print money. They will make us poor one way or another.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:48 pm | #41
“KR November 11th, 2009 | 11:52 am | #20
“…putting a burden on others…”
Does Pelosi ever listen to herself?”
Or look in the mirror?
November 11th, 2009 | 12:50 pm | #42
Well, AuntieMadder, that’s what we do with Medicare. I had to rush to find an insurance provider for physician coverage since they start deducting the premium from my SS when I became eligible. I could have opted out but eventually you have to take it and are penalized should you not make the deadline.
November 11th, 2009 | 12:50 pm | #43
Isn’t it ironic that we have a bunch of lunatics making healthcare decisions for the country?
November 11th, 2009 | 12:52 pm | #44
If one is going to jail for BS like this, perhaps other actions that cause one to go to jail will become popular……
Free health car and you get a message across.
I mean, criminals don’t just break one law. They tend to break many….
November 11th, 2009 | 12:53 pm | #45
Does getting Botox injections make one blink alot?
November 11th, 2009 | 12:57 pm | #46
You all are not getting it.. they’re not going to have the issue of illegals because they are going to make them all freaking legal.. Never mind that others that have come here from other countries legally have paid a lot of money and did it the right way.. just hand our country over to the illegals..
They’re selling us down the river to a complete and total take over and turing this great country into a socialist/marxist one…
Thanks to change… I hope we are not at the point we need to bend over ….
November 11th, 2009 | 1:00 pm | #47
Mass non-compliance coupled with legal challenges would overwhelm the system easily. Ten thousand legal challenges would guarantee a rapid escalation to the Supreme Court. Then we could see where they find the authority to force the American public to purchase a product or service.
It seems to me that even a well informed and prepared layman could argue this case. After all, the main premise behind mandatory participation is based not on what has happened, but what might happen, that is, that people would game the system.
If the U.S. Supreme Court can find a constitutional justification for this legislation, than the Constitution is not worth the paper it’s written on. The Consitution would have been made obsolete by excessive interpretation.
I say, bring it on! Pass it, and you may yet see a revolution. One is sorely needed, as we have already shamed ourselves in front of our forebears. Even two generations back from those of us who are middle-aged, would be appalled.
November 11th, 2009 | 1:12 pm | #48
She doesn’t make sense at all. She won’t be the Speaker of the House in 2011.
November 11th, 2009 | 1:32 pm | #49
KRNo Gravatar
November 11th, 2009 | 12:44 pm | #40
True, but with all notes coming due, plus having to service the debt, how long would they be able to print money before everything comes to a halt?
RobertNo Gravatar
November 11th, 2009 | 1:00 pm | #47
They were talking about this on a program yesterday, I believe, and a person said that it would have to happen first: someone would have to be arrested and put on trial for not buying insurance and for not paying the fine before constitutionality could be challenged.
November 11th, 2009 | 1:50 pm | #50
I am a disabled Vietnam vet with chronic pain and a lot of health problems, so I have always had health insurance. I am also a stubborn SOB and if they force me to have health insurance or go to jail, I’m going to drop the policy and let them try to come for me.
November 11th, 2009 | 2:04 pm | #51
More blah blah blah from the Queen of Loons.. whoever let her out of the straight jacket she shares with Boxer long enough to pollute the airwaves again should get jail time!.. burn the bill!
November 11th, 2009 | 2:06 pm | #52
What’s with her weird hand gestures ? Is it a vain attempt to project intelligence ?
I wish the reporter had asked her if it was fair to have to pay for things we oppose like abortion or being forced to subsidize illegal immigrant’s health care ?
November 11th, 2009 | 2:28 pm | #53
IOpianNo Gravatar
November 11th, 2009 | 2:06 pm | #52
That would take cojones, something the MSM does not have.
November 11th, 2009 | 3:04 pm | #54
Well it is all well and good, but what is anyone doing about it. These jerks don’t care if they are voted out. Once they have this in place they just have to keep enough Dems in power to fillabuster and then they will come back into power later.
No what needs to be done is more direct and conforntational. Unfortunately most of us aren’t willing to take that steps. We just sit here and complain on the Web.
All it will take though is just one spark. Something like another Waco, hopefully this time people won’t just sit on their butts as the police burn more people to death.
November 11th, 2009 | 3:37 pm | #55
I get it now – that’s how Hussein will create jobs. Building jails!
November 11th, 2009 | 3:37 pm | #56
Has any one noticed Barry and M faces? I think they are getting botox treatments with Pelosi the evil bit*h.
November 11th, 2009 | 5:24 pm | #57
You can already go to jail for not paying your taxes. It’s called tax evasion. There is nothing new here.
November 11th, 2009 | 5:27 pm | #58
Seriously, we all pay taxes for things that benefit other people, including fire and police departments. They help people you may not like all the time. And we all pay taxes for things we may not agree with. I personally wish I didn’t have to pay for Blackwater contracts. I still pay my taxes.
November 11th, 2009 | 6:09 pm | #59
“Dems Turned Away 11 Votes That Would Have Required Congress to Enroll in Pelosicare”
The politicians that voted against requiring Congress to enroll in Pelosicare should all go to jail … and stay there until they change their vote.
But the fact, as we all know, that this will never happen refutes lying Pelosi’s claim.
November 11th, 2009 | 6:10 pm | #60
If Pelosi had any concept of ‘fair’, she would accept the same health care the House is intent on imposing on the rest of all Americans.
November 11th, 2009 | 6:47 pm | #61
If the Dems simply do not care about the damage they are doing, then waiting for 2010 is not and cannot be the answer. What, then? I guess states will have to start seceding again — refusing to send taxes to DC and refusing to accept any federal grants from DC. I don’t see Americans re-enacting the French Revolution in DC no matter how bad things get.
November 11th, 2009 | 6:51 pm | #62
LT, they’re not going to throw you in jail for avoiding the taxes. They’re going to throw you in jail for not buying the exorbitant government healthcare insurance. That’s their answer to the “huge problem” of a few dozen million people not buying healthcare insurance on their own initiative. And you don’t even get any benefits until 2013, but the taxes to pay for them start right away. In the middle of a recession where the official employment rate is 10.2% and climbing, and the real employment rate is probably around 18% and probably also climbing.
November 11th, 2009 | 8:16 pm | #63
In the middle of a recession where the official employment rate is 10.2% and climbing, and the real employment rate is probably around 18% and probably also climbing.
………………
Which means an ever shrinking percentage of people who will be able to fork over the fare.
They are either unbelieveably stupid or they want to break the country. WHat other options are there? Only: Both.
No sensible person would purposely bring a nation to its knees – too many unknowns when that happens – things get out of control real fast, and it’s nearly impossible to restore what worked when everything’s broken down – particularly the social contract – the national consensus of which is the rightful government amongst many competing factions.
November 11th, 2009 | 8:24 pm | #64
The last time I check Geithner or Rangel didn’t pay his taxes. Did they go to jail? Taxes are for little people. You cannot criminalize everyone because they refuse to buy healthcare. Or else this country will be one giant penal system.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:06 pm | #65
By Natzi Pelosi’s logic then… Those that dont buy their own food, or pay their own rent, or buy car insurance( even if they dont own a car) Should be fined or put in jail by Maddam Botox and President Pantywaist / telepromter reader ! We could also pay for the new beaurocracies required to enforce these new laws by cutting welfare payments/fraud by $690 billion and HUD wasteful spending. Oh and those without jobs will be required to get a job. I forgot… There will be 540 billion in this new bill for paying for studying why conservatives are better than liberals in all public schools in grades K-9 to get them off of the Govt is the answer mentality. Seems more logical than the garabage thats attached to healthcare bills or defense bills that have NOTHING to do with the bill not being read before signing it.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:15 pm | #66
I mean after all its not fair for all the hardworking Americans who pay their mortage /rent food, car payments and insurance to have to pay higher rates and taxes to pay for those who dont pay for theirs and are not responsible! Whats fair is fair Maddam Botox. By the way Natzi can you stretch your face again we are starting to see your wrinkles again and your eyes are not bugging out as much as they used to.
November 11th, 2009 | 11:24 pm | #67
Oh But if your illegal alien not supposed to be in this country at all and are using faked /forged documents or are sitting in our jails, schools, health clinics, hospitals, social service offices or a job an American just wont do…..you can go along your merry way
Nothing to concern Nancy there…. But you evil legal citizens who refuse to pay more taxes to pay for a beauracratic nightmare that puts private insurance out of business and pushes doctors out of service as they refuse to continue or go into med school to begin with. Call a trial lawyer Nancy they will make it all cheaper or free
November 12th, 2009 | 12:17 am | #68
Wow do I feel like a dope… I’ve always been self insured and when I needed surgery I paid the hospital the 13 large to do it. I didn’t see the line that said if ya ain’t insured ya don’t have to pay. Maybe it was in Spanish or something.
November 12th, 2009 | 4:50 am | #69
Boycot DC! It is a smal part of this country. It seems to be the center of a large number of problems. Stop sending your money to enable them to continue. Avoid taxes. Act and spend locally. Barter. Farmers Market. The economy is being driven underground. Keep things off the books. How do you think all those illegals survive?
I mean really, I read about people willing to renounce their citizenships above. Well, I am a citizen of the United States of America and not a citizen of the United States Federal Government.
No one is going to jail over this, so stop hyperventilating. They are mearly threatening you. It is just a threat. They have no teeth. Do not fear them. Fear the loss of your power.
The upcoming elections will determine the future more than any crap congess or the O churn out before then. The hand writing is on the wall and soon they will get over their denial and it will be them that will be in fear.
Congress and their enablers will do everything possible to disenfrachise us. This is the true danger to our freedom. There will be many distractions generated while the mechanisims are put in place to reduce the elections to a sham. Laws can be changed. The lack of an effective fraudulent election process is the only thing keeping us from the end of democracy.
The elections are the last thing we have left short of the unthinkable. Protect your right to really change things!
November 12th, 2009 | 7:24 am | #70
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November 12th, 2009 | 9:56 am | #71
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November 12th, 2009 | 11:49 am | #72
Aitch748
You’re wrong. Even the Republican trying to spin this says it’s a tax. Read the bolded part in the post again.
November 12th, 2009 | 1:41 pm | #73
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November 12th, 2009 | 3:06 pm | #74
So, does this mean that it is time to put my house ownership into an LLC or a trust? And, do I need to have a back-up plan for the care of my children? Cause if I’m going to jail for not getting involved with the health plan, I should be able to protect the assets our family has acquired before the game changed. . .
November 13th, 2009 | 2:47 am | #75
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