He was screaming “Allahu Akbar” as he shot her dead.
She had just finished a tour in Iraq.
Francheska Velez, 21, of Humboldt Park was three months pregnant when she was killed in the Fort Hood shootings, relatives said. (Sun Times)
One of the dead soldiers in Thursday’s slaughter was pregnant soldier Francheska Velez.
The New York Daily News reported:
A fresh tragedy added to the horror of the Fort Hood massacre Friday when it was revealed that one of the victims was a pregnant soldier.
Francheska Velez, who returned to the U.S. just three days earlier from a foreign posting, was filling out paperwork when a gunman hollered “Allahu Akbar!” and embarked on a bloody rampage that left her and a dozen others dead.
A 21-year-old Chicagoan, Velez was six-weeks pregnant when she was cut down on Thursday, FOX Chicago News reported.
Velez was a sitting duck when the accused gunman, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, yelled “God is great” in Arabic and opened fire with the two guns he’d smuggled into an intake center, Col. John Rossi said at a post-massacre briefing.
Well who would have guessed this?
Nidal Hassan sat on Obama’s national security panel last year.
Gawker dug up this document:
More… Power and Control has more details on Hasan’s radical imam.
Thanks Andrew!
UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds thinks that saying Hasan sat on the Obama security panel is a bit of a stretch.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:10 pm | #1
No, he was not yelling “God is Great” in Arabic. He was yelling “Allah is Great” in Arabic.
That is a perfect example of why the west is nearly fully decieved. “Allah” is a proper name, one belonging to the false god of death, deceit, and destruction, and we’ve been told by all the great ordained Tellers-of-things that “Allah” correctly translated into English is “God”, and indeed, is the SAME GOD the Christians and Jews worship.
A hundred years of lies from all directions, combined with the mass-abandonment of God’s Word by America’s citizenry — it’s a sad thing to behold, but it’s NO PUZZLE.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:11 pm | #2
No security at intake center? Why not?
November 6th, 2009 | 2:27 pm | #3
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God Bless & RIP Francheska Velez..
“we shall never forget you or your fellow
victims of the Global War On Terrorism”
my sincere sympathy to hers & all the other
families who lost their dear loved ones.. :(
Military jihadists fill ‘every branch’
imho, the arbitrary appeasing of Isamists in
this country should not be allowed to stand..
THEY ARE THE ENEMY, THEY’VE CLEARLY &
REPETITIVELY DECLARED THEMSELVES AS
BEING SUCH TOO MANY TIMES TO COUNT..
EARTH TO AMERICA, THE JIHAD IS IN YOUR BACK YARD!!
Springtime in Islamberg
[Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.
Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.
Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."
In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.]
what is wrong with US?? how is it possible for a lying manipulating
IslaMarxist to be maneuvered into the highest position in the land..
how self destructive & suicidal are we??
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November 6th, 2009 | 2:31 pm | #4
Note to NYDN reporter: this scenario is not a tragedy, it is an atrocity.
@Taqiyy:
A simple reading of both the Bible and the Koran will prove that the god of the latter in no way resembles the God of the former.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:33 pm | #5
I can’t believe one person got off so many shots without being stoppped. I still think when this investigation is over, sadly some of those dead would be very the guns of those trying to stop this muslim, crazed, fanatic.
All his patients need to be reevaluated and medications checked for tainted substances .
November 6th, 2009 | 2:37 pm | #6
Taqiyy….the Major that killed his fellow soldiers in the name of Islam’s God is a piece of crap.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:37 pm | #7
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November 6th, 2009 | 2:41 pm | #8
“That is a perfect example of why the west is nearly fully decieved. “Allah” is a proper name, one belonging to the false god of death, deceit, and destruction, and we’ve been told by all the great ordained Tellers-of-things that “Allah” correctly translated into English is “God”, and indeed, is the SAME GOD the Christians and Jews worship.”
Allah is Satan, at least with regard to Christianity and Judaism. Satan crafted Islam and I have yet to see a better theory put forth than the revived caliphate, which the Muslim world wants, will be the empire of the Antichrist, given that all of the important places in scripture outside of historic Israel, even the once-great Egypt and Persia, are in or are themselves Muslim countries and that they completely surround it.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:41 pm | #9
The Bible is the Word of God. God did not write the Quran, and He is in no way the same God as the God Muslims worship.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:45 pm | #10
And now Obamao the dog faced boy, our muslim in chief is telling everyone not to jump to conclusions.
Is’nt that a hoot, Obamao lecturing about jumping to conclusions.(Cambridge Mass.)
But, there is only one conclusion; this islamonutbag, is just that. This was jihad.! No matter how much the state-run media tries to make this muslim puke a victim, He, and the majority of the screwballs that percieve islam as a religion, is and are murderous, barbaric nutjobs.
This treasonous islamist should be wrapped in bacon and burned a the stake.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:45 pm | #11
Words cannot even express how absolutely horrendous it is that this young woman with child was gunned down in cold blood.
It is sickening that a so-called ‘religion’ has members that believe their God wants them to kill in his name…….sickening.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:47 pm | #12
I work at a university and unfortunately we have hundreds of these people as students.
Ask me if I feel safe. Hell no.
What in the world is it going to take for the people of this country to wake up? This has been going on for decades. Does anyone remember Sirhan Sirhan in 1968?
If this can happen on an army base none of us are safe.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:47 pm | #13
at the stake.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:48 pm | #14
My deepest condolences to the family of this brave young woman. Rest well Francheska Velez, rest well.
Your memory will live on; who can forget someone as special as this?
November 6th, 2009 | 2:49 pm | #15
Chip Bennett beat me to it. Muslims only claim that the God of the Bible and allah of the Koran are the same. When Mo invented his ‘religion’ he had to borrow heavily from Judaism and Christianity to give some kind of historical legitimacy. However he made the mistake of basing his authenticity on a foundation that denies his claims of authenticity. There is nothing ‘holy’ about the Koran. Ever wonder why the Bible is banned in muslim countries even though most of the stories and prophets are contained in both books ?
November 6th, 2009 | 2:50 pm | #16
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Obama: The Taqiyyah President
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November 6th, 2009 | 2:53 pm | #17
Food for thought:
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm
“If you love Allah, then follow me (Muhammad) -Sura 3:31 (Shakir)”
Sounds like the False Prophet praising the Antichrist in a dress-rehersal to me.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:56 pm | #18
Just put this on another post.
Were they warned?
1 October 2009
The NORTHCOM directive pointed out that “there [was] a total of seven homeland plots in the last six months, five with a DoD nexus,” which meant that the plots involved plans to attack US military facilities.
NORTHCOM Issues Directive Cautioning Against Terror Threat Complacency
http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/10452/149/
I’m sure obama is going to run down there and put a gag order on everyone. Just hear it all now, Can’t say muslim terrorist jihad; don’t talk to the press, that poor muslim doctor probably got a cold hard stare from someone.
This was a premediated revenge killing by a muslim terrorist period. It was known about him 6 months ago. What happened to obama’s Preventative Prolonged Detention program. Guess the shooter, being Islam, wasn’t a bigger threat than we tea party protesters.
That police officer that shot Hasan should of been packing a bigger gun.
November 6th, 2009 | 2:57 pm | #19
c.reyes
You needed to tell me that…why, exactly?
Of course he’s a piece of crap! He proclaims that the Moon God is great, while perfectly emulating that demon’s main prophet/d**khead Mohammad, may he fester eternally…what, you think I’m thinking he’s a groovy dude?
November 6th, 2009 | 2:59 pm | #20
Stephen and bg,
great posts, as always.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:03 pm | #21
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/a_more_likely_scenario_1.html
“According to a November 4th Stratfor report, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader, Nasir al-Wahayshi, wrote an article last week in an online magazine, Sada al-Malahim (The Echo of the Battle). In it he called for jihadists to conduct easy attacks on targets in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, as well as in Western Nations “at war with Islam”. They were to use easily accessible weapons and explosives and to not “waste a lot of time finding the materials…” The way in which this information was disseminated is just as telling as the article itself. According to the global intelligence source, Stratfor:
“That al-Wahayshi gave these instructions in an internet magazine distributed via jihadist chat rooms, not in some secret meeting with his operational staff, demonstrates that they are clearly intended to reach grassroots jihadists — and are not intended as some guidance for AQAP members.”
–snip–
There will be more, soon. Time to crack down further on the RIGHT, will be the fed and MSM logic. Time to “reach out” to Muslim-Americans.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:04 pm | #22
“Allah is Satan, at least with regard to Christianity and Judaism. Satan crafted Islam and I have yet to see a better theory put forth than the revived caliphate, which the Muslim world wants, will be the empire of the Antichrist, given that all of the important places in scripture outside of historic Israel, even the once-great Egypt and Persia, are in or are themselves Muslim countries and that they completely surround it.”
Well said Stephen.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:07 pm | #23
See pdf here
Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force
Wonder how many other sites in the US have inadequate security due to Muslim “advice”
As for above discussion, my view is that Islam has NO god. Mohammed was a warlord bent on conquest, plunder and rape and no god is needed for that. Islam still has the same goals and thus is not a religion.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:07 pm | #24
Joanne at November 6th, 2009 | 2:41 pm | #9
Great post, couldn’t agree more they are not the same.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:10 pm | #25
One less child to be a burden to anyone. Also, I’d like to give a shout-out to my homeboy, Nidal. Get well soon!
November 6th, 2009 | 3:25 pm | #26
You’re darn right there is going to be more. This good little Islamist felt it was time to carry out his own jihad. Whatever it was that made him think yesterday was it, who knows, but he got the message and carried out his plan.
There will be more. This is not isolated and the anger in this country is just about to reach a breaking point.
Check out FrontPageMag.com
November 6th, 2009 | 3:29 pm | #27
http://tinyurl.com/y9apspz
At the NYPost, Ralph Peters bemoans the cowardice of Political Correctness, while at displaying his own:
“What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.
This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period. ”
again, from the last paragraph:
“to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics,”
NO, RALPH. It was not for “protest”, it was for JIHAD.
Using “radical Islamist” for Muslim. Why not “fundamentalist Muslim”? Or “originalist Muslim”?
Or just simply, “devout Muslim”.
Still, a good article, even if Peters still dances merrily and obliviously around the actual CORE, LYNCHPIN TRUTH, he nails a few other truths quite well. And he, as an employee, has to toe certain lines. (Like, the line which says “Don’t ever tell the actual truth about Islam and Mohammad which is relevant to the story.”)
Being a journalist, even one who knows the truth, would be trying, because if you work for a paper, you can’t tell that truth.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:38 pm | #28
One more pair of victims to political correctness and global jihad. Any “religion” that says it is okay to murder (generally in cold blood) those who do not believe as you do, is inherently evil in my view. This young woman and her unborn child are now in paradise in the loving arms of their Savior. Too bad their murderer isn’t burning in hell!
November 6th, 2009 | 3:44 pm | #29
Aro5075, I had same notion re: Cambridge, MA and jumping to conclusions. Yes, let’s the facts come out, but let’s call it what it is. Obama’s non-response yesterday was chilling.
November 6th, 2009 | 3:44 pm | #30
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Ann @ 2:56 pm #18
re: [I’m sure obama is going to run down
there and put a gag order on everyone.]
no doubt here, as a matter of fact, i’m
willing to bet he’s already set the pace..
Obama Bans The Word “Terrorism”
[First, Obama announced the closing of Gitmo. Next, Obama banned
the word ‘enemy combatants’. Then, ‘war on terrorism’ got the axe.
The latest outrage is the very word ‘terrorism’ has been banned by the Obama administration and replaced by the phrase ‘man caused disasters’.
I kid you not.]
“Obama introduced UN resolution to limit free speech”
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November 6th, 2009 | 3:50 pm | #31
She was 6 weeks pregnant? Did she get pregnant while overseas on duty? Am I the only one wondering about that?
November 6th, 2009 | 4:02 pm | #32
Great depiction of islamists;
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2007/12/islam-angry-beggar-at-feast.html
November 6th, 2009 | 4:06 pm | #33
Have to confirm whether that Nidal Hasan is the same one. It’s apparently not an uncommon name for Muslim men.
RIP, Francheska and her comrades. Our hearts bleed for your sacrifice, both the service you gave and the fact that you came home only to have this coward deprive you of your future.
November 6th, 2009 | 4:12 pm | #34
I read the names of the attendees of Bambi’s Security whatever – also saw Alihah Gaspard,
Detica, Inc. The 2 Gaspard brothers are deep in the Bambi/Acorn/SEIU inner circle — wonder if Alihah is a relative. Unless we get this impostor and his thugs out of the White House ASAP, our country is doomed.
November 6th, 2009 | 4:16 pm | #35
Putting Palestinians on your security panel is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
November 6th, 2009 | 4:29 pm | #36
Read the comment(s) section after the Gawker link. The mighty liberal mindset on display.
November 6th, 2009 | 4:29 pm | #37
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November 6th, 2009 | 4:48 pm | #38
May she and her child rest in peace… 2 innocent lives lost… this whole tragic story …it just keeps getting worse…
November 6th, 2009 | 5:13 pm | #39
Alihah Gaspard of Detica graduated with a master’s from Hofstra in 2007. So with two years of “experience” she is “advising” the empty suit bloviator on national security matters? Every time I learn more about the spineless maggot in the Oval Office, I figure it can’t become worse . . . but it does. Damn, but we are well & truly screwed.
November 6th, 2009 | 5:36 pm | #40
a soon-to-be-former-democrat
November 6th, 2009 | 4:48 pm | #39
May she and her child rest in peace… 2 innocent lives lost… this whole tragic story …it just keeps getting worse…
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2..? Ummm…..it was 13.
November 6th, 2009 | 6:09 pm | #41
Well, Iconoclast, I just read through that pdf of that conference.
I think this nutjob’s jihad is going to encourage some investigating of this and other things this guy was involved in.
That will be a good thing. This is not just a guy who went off. And it deserves a microscope.
November 6th, 2009 | 6:24 pm | #42
What? So Obama hand-picked this guy for his National Security thingamabobby? That oughtta be front page. I’m going into lockdown until this is sorted out. GLLEEEEEENNN!!!!
November 6th, 2009 | 7:02 pm | #43
Never trust Muslims is one of my rules I live by. That might make me a racist but I rather be a “racist” than be sleeping in the morgue because I let my defenses down.
There is video of him walking into a store wearing his mandress and other soldiers in uniform around him not even giving him a second glance.
There are reasons that some people are more paranoid than others, that’s natures way of ensuring that not everyone is too trustful and at least the paranoid will survive to carry on the fight.
I just hope all the military bases take appropriate action, and maybe stop allowing so many Muslims into the ranks. This isn’t an isolated incident.
November 6th, 2009 | 7:20 pm | #44
Tim McVie was a Christian and a decorated veteran of Gulf War I. Are you afraid of Christian veterans?
November 6th, 2009 | 7:23 pm | #45
Tim McVeigh is and always will be a stupid comparison.
Got anything else?
November 6th, 2009 | 7:50 pm | #46
Tim McVeigh’s actions were against the Christian faith; Major Hasan’s murderous assault was in accordance with Qu’ranic teaching:
“Slay the unbelievers where you find them…”
November 6th, 2009 | 7:56 pm | #47
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ar05075 @ 5:36 pm #40
yes, however, the post is specifically related
to only 2 of them, ergo, the comment was in
context..
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November 6th, 2009 | 8:36 pm | #48
Okay, so I clicked on the Gawker link to actually READ the report, not just base my assumption on Gatewaypundit’s erroneous assumptions.
So this task force was in place from April 2008-January 2009. Who was the POTUS during this time? I’ll give ya a hint: not Obama.
This task force was based at George Washington University, not the White House, not any government agency or department. It was not organized by Obama.
So your claim that Hasan sat on Obama’s national security task panel has, at best, a tenuous connection to the reality.
Sorry to have disturbed you… but remember, when you assume, you make an ass of, well, yourselves.
I guarantee you that the responses to this message WILL NOT address the substance of what I have pointed out… instead, the responses will be personal attacks, much easier that way, no?… wait for it in 3…2…1…
November 6th, 2009 | 8:45 pm | #49
bg
November 6th, 2009 | 7:56 pm | #47
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Alrighty then.
November 6th, 2009 | 8:49 pm | #50
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Yeah Right @ 8:36 pm #48
Nidal Hassan sat on Obama’s national security panel last year.
The jihadi who mowed down scores at Fort Hood was an adviser to the
Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force.
(rhetorical question)
good grief, what is it about BDS sufferers & comprehension??
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November 6th, 2009 | 8:51 pm | #51
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ar05075 @ 8:45 pm #49
:-)
(btw, sometimes i even read my own posts wrong.. :D)
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November 6th, 2009 | 9:11 pm | #52
I read the Third Terrorist and while that doesn’t make me a Timothy McVeigh expert it does lead me to believe that when people bring him into a discussion it is nonsensical.
I guess what I have to ask is who the person thinks TV was and why do they think he did what he did.
I’m not disturbed at all, Yeah right. This guy was an enemy among us.
November 6th, 2009 | 9:26 pm | #53
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just finished listening to the 20/20 story on Fort Hood..
they interviewed one of the victims who’s head was grazed
by a bullet & also shot in the back.. but is thankfully fine!!
they also told the story about Kim Munley, the courageous police officer
who drew Hasans attention away from the soldiers, how he charged at her
shooting her to the ground.. where lying on her back still managed to fire
the shot that brought him down.. she’s a true HERO if there ever was one!!
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November 6th, 2009 | 9:31 pm | #54
Your saying something is a stupid argument doesn’t make it so. McVie was everything you people seem to admire, right until he drove up to the Murrah Building with a truck full of fertilizer.
You rightly see him as an aberration, of Christianity, and conservatism. Yet you use this instance to bolster your racism and fear. You are fools manipulated by frauds.
November 6th, 2009 | 9:37 pm | #55
Richard Popalwaski killed three policemen in Pittsburg last April because he was afraid President Obama was going to take away his guns. Is he representative of you people?
November 6th, 2009 | 9:47 pm | #56
Olm says:”I guess what I have to ask is who the person thinks TV was and why do they think he did what he did.”
I think McVie was a lost soul who got wrapped up in the right wing attacks leveled at President Clinton. Waco happened because federal law officers were murdered trying to serve a warrant to Koresh. Normally conservatives are outraged when cult leaders kill law officers… What was the difference this time? Oh yeah you conservatives used that terrible day to attack the president to score cheap political points. The only problem is that McView was too stupid to see through the republican posturing and believed what you people were saying. Good job.
November 6th, 2009 | 9:50 pm | #57
bg #50
Seriously?!?! Instead of REFUTING anything I pointed out from the ACTUAL report released from the ACTUAL task force, you simply link to another ill-informed post at Atlas Shrugs???
Are you freaking kidding me?
Okay, let’s try this again: READ the ACTUAL report from the ACTUAL task force. The dates and background for the task force are clearly stated in the ACTUAL report. Obama did NOT pick the people on this task force. It was in place in APRIL 2008, before Obama even won the election.
Sorry for the caps but I don’t think you’ll understand otherwise.
But you’re conservative so don’t let things like facts interrupt a good fear-mongering moment!
November 6th, 2009 | 10:35 pm | #58
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Yeah Right @ 9:50 pm #57
Nidal Hasan
Uniformed Services University School of Medicine;
page 29
whatever his capacity.. he was part of the panel
at some point else his name would not be listed..
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November 6th, 2009 | 10:42 pm | #59
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btw Yeah Right @ 9:50 pm #57
you posted no link to the task force evidence..
i did however, and it disproves your OPINION..
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November 6th, 2009 | 10:46 pm | #60
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btw Yeah Right @ 9:50 pm #57
re: [It was in place in APRIL 2008,
before Obama even won the election.]
lets try this again..
“presidential transition” task force
read carefully, don’t jump to any conclusions..
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November 6th, 2009 | 10:52 pm | #61
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Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration
PROCEEDINGS REPORT OF THE HSPI
PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TASK FORCE
April 2008-January 2009
no one said OBAMA put him there..
what GP (or whoever) stated, and it’s quite evidently true, is:
Nidal Hassan sat on Obama’s national security panel last year.
oh one last thing..
it has absolutely nothing to do with GWB..
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November 6th, 2009 | 11:02 pm | #62
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Yeah Right @ 9:50 pm #57
[But you’re conservative so don’t let things like
facts interrupt a good fear-mongering moment!]
one does not need be a conservative,
or progressive to discern the facts..
oh wait, why am i typing this??
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November 6th, 2009 | 11:42 pm | #63
I wonder if Geraldo realizes a hispanic was killed by this muslim killer? Would that change his mind? Geraldo is the racist.
November 7th, 2009 | 1:45 am | #64
Joanne-
You wrote:
“It is sickening that a so-called ‘religion’ has members that believe their God wants them to kill in his name…….sickening.”
It’s interesting because the bible itself commands you to kill anyone, including family, that follows another god. In several different places. So I would say that your god wants you to kill in his name. Is that sickening? I think so. If you haven’t seen any of these passages in the bible, I’ll help you out here:
Deuteronomy 13:6-10, “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.”
I think the main point here should be that something very very wrong happened at Fort Hood. It’s horrific that anyone (from any religion) would open fire on fellow humans like this. It’s truly sad that an expectant mother, and an American soldier was one of the victims of this crime.
Jon
November 7th, 2009 | 2:21 am | #65
Imagine a Christian gunning down Muslim soldiers in Pakistan screaming “in the name of the Father …….”. How many hundreds of Christians would be dead by now?
November 7th, 2009 | 3:24 am | #66
What if everyone could stop fighting and arguing and killing over religious beliefs that aren’t backed by any empirical evidence? As long as we’re making up hypothetical scenarios I’d prefer one that doesn’t waste lives and resources over disagreements about faith.
Jon
November 7th, 2009 | 6:14 am | #67
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November 7th, 2009 | 4:11 pm | #68
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Earth to all citizens of the US/West..
IT’S OFFICIAL: THE JIHAD IS HERE
Muslim radicals call Hasan ‘Officer and a Gentleman’
13 deaths were ‘pre-emptive attack;’ ‘We do NOT denounce his actions’
["Every day is Fort Hood for the world community due to USA policies and their tyrant totalitarian puppet regimes," the activists proclaimed. "Rest assure (sic) the slain terrorists at Fort Hood are in the eternal hellfire and it is not to (sic) late for YOU to change your policies," they said.
The website's mission statement states, "Revolution Muslim is a message and movement grounded in the sayings, deeds, actions and understanding of Ahlus Sunnah wal jama'ah (The collective body of those Muslims that adhere to the ways of the Prophet (SAWS) and the first four generations of Muslims)."
It continues, "We pray that we may witness the dismantlement of western, secular dominance across the world as we hold it to be pagan and idolatrous in the majority of its presumptions. We seek a resurrection of the just example set forth by centuries of Islamic rule throughout the ages and we hold it to be self evident for the objective soul and mind that Allah is One and that Muhammad ibn Abdullah is His Prophet and that the religion offers the solution to all of the world’s ills and afflictions."
The base commander said soldiers reported they heard Hasan shout
"Allahu Akbar," or "Allah is the greatest," while he was shooting.]
no one has been heeding the numerous warnings, namely the MSM, most especially our Congressmen/Women, Homeland Security, DOD, DOS, etc.. & our so called President..
The Third Jihad
(a must watch/listen FREE 30-Minute Version)
much more here..
“don’t jump to conclusions” ~ B Hussein O
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November 7th, 2009 | 4:24 pm | #69
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Jon @ 1:45 am | #64
watch out infidels, Christians are
going to slaughter you en-mass!!
ROTFLMBO!!
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November 7th, 2009 | 8:29 pm | #70
bg,
So I’m going to be slaughtered “en-mass” because I think people should stop killing each other over religion?
What exactly do you mean by “en-mass”? Like, all of me slaughtered as opposed to just my arm or something?
What’s really interesting is that you seem to be assuming I’m a Muslim or something. I’m not. I was actually brought up and confirmed as a Roman Catholic. I’ve just been wondering lately why so many feel the need to continue to kill over religious beliefs that are not based on solid evidence.
November 7th, 2009 | 8:32 pm | #71
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November 7th, 2009 | 11:20 pm | #72
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Jon @ 8:29 pm #70
who’s doing the enmass killings Jon??
Christians?? Buddhists?? Jews?? Wiccans??
which religion Jon??
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November 8th, 2009 | 12:00 am | #73
Fundamentalists. Extremists. Anyone who believes literally what is written in their religious texts worries me. These religious texts, and I’m speaking about the bible and koran specifically, call on believers to kill anyone who doesn’t believe what they do. I think that’s the problem here.
November 8th, 2009 | 1:02 pm | #74
“I’ve just been wondering lately why so many feel the need to continue to kill over religious beliefs that are not based on solid evidence.” by Jon
You just contradicted yourself with your quote from the Bible.
It may be difficult to explain, but those guilty of leading God’s people astray as in your quote in the Bible, will be dealt with on Judgment Day. In comparing Christianity to Islam as religions, especially as a Christian yourself, you give credence to what the Koran teaches. How many Christians do you know that support killing all non-Christians? I’ll take a guess…..NONE! A Christian does not equate the Word of God with the teachings of Islam, unless that person has no understanding of the Word of God. Christians generally take the stand to keep the 10 Commandments and leave revenge and justice to Jesus Christ. How many times are we to forgive our brother who asks for forgiveness? There is no limit to forgiveness no matter how many times our brother fails. I do believe those guilty of leading others astray will suffer the consequences in life and in the resurrection.
It may serve you well to remember that there was to be no blemish found in the people of the Tribes of Israel when the Priest asked God for forgiveness for the peoples’ sins.
“…., but Aaron shall expiate once a year upon its horns with blood; he shall expiate upon it with a sin-offering of expiations once in a year, for your descendants. It is the Holy of Holies to the EVER-LIVING.” Exodus 30:10
I would think that killing those who led them astray was an incentive for self-preservation. Today, our forgiveness comes from Jesus Christ Himself; we do not have to offer a blemish-free animal to God or anything else. We must ask for forgiveness, turn away from our sin, obey the Ten Commands and the Word of Lord.
November 8th, 2009 | 4:39 pm | #75
I didn’t contradict myself with the quote from the bible, I was simply pointing out that the bible calls for killing non-christians. The koran isn’t the only religious text that commands it’s followers to kill. Several people in this thread have commented how sick islam is for calling for the killing of non-believers. And to clear up my comment about religious beliefs that aren’t based on solid evidence, I don’t count the bible or the koran as solid evidence.
I know that most christians right now don’t think that they should be running around killing everyone that doesn’t believe as they do, but it is what is written in the bible. The word of god, as you say. Most christians, like you, pick and choose what they will follow from the bible. “…leave revenge and justice to jesus christ.” Well that’s not what the bible tells you to do. I’m glad most christians can ignore some of the ridiculousness that is in the bible, but their religion at it’s core is every bit as extreme as islam. I wish all involved could just stop wasting so many lives and resources fighting over this stuff.
November 10th, 2009 | 6:49 pm | #76
Whoever added the header “Update: Hasan Sat on Obama’s National Security Panel” needs to go back to journalism school (or perhaps gurnalysm school…) This kind of misrepresentation adds nothing to the discussion
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