Unreal. Team Obama may allow US soldiers to be tried in the Hague for war crimes.
The Wall Street Journal reported, via Jihad Watch:
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed “great regret” in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague.
The ICC’s chief prosecutor, though, has no intention of waiting for Washington to submit to the court’s authority. Luis Moreno Ocampo says he already has jurisdiction—at least with respect to Afghanistan.
Because Kabul in 2003 ratified the Rome Statute—the ICC’s founding treaty—all soldiers on Afghan territory, even those from nontreaty countries, fall under the ICC’s oversight, Mr. Ocampo told me. And the chief prosecutor says he is already conducting a “preliminary examination” into whether NATO troops, including American soldiers, fighting the Taliban may have to be put in the dock.
“We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan,” Mr. Ocampo told me. “There are serious allegations against the Taliban and al Qaeda and serious allegations about warlords, even against some who are connected with members of the government.” Taking up his inquiry of Allied soldiers, he added, “there are different reports about problems with bombings and there are also allegations about torture.”
It was clear who the targets of these particular inquiries are but the chief prosecutor shied away from spelling it out.
Asked repeatedly whether the examination of bombings and torture allegations refers to NATO and U.S. soldiers, Mr. Ocampo finally stated that “we are investigating whoever commits war crimes, including the group you mentioned.”
November 27th, 2009 | 6:52 pm | #1
Of all the idiotic …
We bring known terrorists from Gitmo to NYC to put them on trial here. Never mind the fact these ‘people’ were not born here, did not live here.
And our own military could be sent to trial in another country …
Makes no damn sense. Like our POS POTUS.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:01 pm | #2
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November 27th, 2009 | 7:03 pm | #3
Hey! Get serious here….It’s not American servicemen/women who would be subjected to war crimes charges — it’s GEORGE W. BUSH and Richard Cheney, and that’s the reason the fraud in the White House will follow George Soros’ instructions and sign on to the ICC.
If you couldn’t see this coming from fifty miles away, have your eyes checked.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:07 pm | #4
Can anyone explain the logic of trying Gitmo war criminals in NYC under federal law and, at the same time, turning over our soldiers to be tried as war criminals in the Hague?
This administration is insane, but no one is stopping it. (Since nothing is stopping it, it is doing more insane things every day!!)
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November 27th, 2009 | 7:17 pm | #5
The Obama administration is now officially insane, Friday, November 27, 2009.
Impeach Obama!!!
November 27th, 2009 | 7:19 pm | #6
May the hand of God come down and smite every a$$hole in Washington D.C.
They are destroying our country.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:24 pm | #7
I would love to see the top generals meet privately with Obama and demand proof that his is their legitimate CiC. If he refuses then they will go public with the issue even if they are all fired. We have to get rid of this entire administration one way or another.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:24 pm | #8
Jesus, why is our president such a beta? I’d rather have our troops home, than subject to “world” courts.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:25 pm | #9
I wonder if Murtha and Kerry will be witnesses for the prosecution.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:34 pm | #10
Sounds to me like Obama is curious to see what a military coup looks like up close. And if he allows even one soldier to be tried by the Hague, he may well get his wish.
The American people would never, ever stand for it, not for one second.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:48 pm | #11
Kingfish and Sapphire are turning this country into a third world cesspool day by day.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:49 pm | #12
So, are they going to try Taliban people? When that happens let me know. If BO allows any US service member to be tried there I, I don’t know be we the people had better do something to block it somehow. I just shake my head.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:50 pm | #13
When they repeal “don’t ask don’t tell” and American soldiers stop reenlisting and the military starts having problems recruiting non-gay americans because of the “gay stigma”. Hopefully the “gay” americans will join up in record numbers to makeup for the shortfall.
That’s the ultimate goal to make the US military a non-threatening force, replacing all the gungho/shoot first ask questions later soldiers with a more politically/diverse/peace loving soldier.
Hopefully the generals/admirals will have some say in sending soldiers to be tried in another country. This will destroy morale and whatever “will to win at any cost” that the US military currently has.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:54 pm | #14
So when does he submit the treaty to Congress for ratification. Our tin pot two bit dictator wanna bee often forgets, he can do nothing without the other co-equal branches of government agreeing.
WOW were our founders smart, they put Obama protections into the Constitution. Who knew.
November 27th, 2009 | 7:56 pm | #15
The Hague is a joke. Aside from being in one of the most Godless countries in Europe (25-30% Christian–but with pedophile political parties) it is beyond inefficient. Criminals from the Bosnian war from 1992-1995 and the Kosovo war in 1999 took on average 10 years before their cases were heard. And these were people who ordered their troops to fire on crowds of thousands. If you think the US government is bad….a multi-national government makes it look efficient.
The judges would be the same sort of left-wing socialists who awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. It’s beyond a joke and to go along with this garbage….
November 27th, 2009 | 8:26 pm | #16
“We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan”
Do these morons even know what genocide and crimes against humanity are?
Will someone please point me to where the investigation into genocide was when the Ukrainian nationalists backed by Stalin murdered 300,000 Poles in 1944-45? Or when the Russians murdered 500,000 German civilians in 3 months out of a total of 2,600,000 people in the region in 1944-1945, or when the Communists in Yugoslavia executed 60,000 POWs by firing squad in only a matter of days? Or how about when Stalin, backed by FDR deported 30,000,000 civilians? Where was the investigation into the Great Leap Forward famine in China where 40,000,000 died or into Pol Pot’s Cambodia with 2,000,000 dead? What of Hussein gassing and bombing 300,000 Kurds to death or North Korea’s estimated 1,000,000 dead from starvation due to work camps?
November 27th, 2009 | 8:28 pm | #17
It seems to me that Obama cannot ever do what Hillary is claiming in this story.
I suspect that even IF there were a treaty, and the senate ratified it, that this treaty would actually be unconstitutional.
Seems like every leftist clown thinks they are above the US constitution.
I would also consider any attempt by this court to ‘grab’ any US soldier or US citizen an act of war.
November 27th, 2009 | 8:35 pm | #18
It’s a two-fer for the Left – US military recruitment dries up, military re-enlistments wither, then the Left gets overseas troop withdrawals and also gets to pass their UNIVERSAL DRAFT bill, which drafts males and females 18-36 for military, national service OR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
Military and National service should have been comprehensive enough wording for servitude, but “or for any other purpose” makes UNIVERSAL DRAFT an actual slavery issue.
The Democrats let this Hague villiany go thru and they’ve put a lot of Americans up against the wall, soldiers, families with soldiers, Americans who are paying attention.
November 27th, 2009 | 8:37 pm | #19
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if you thought things were moving fast since B Hussein O was selected as transitioner in charge, now that they are aware of US waking up, they will move with lightening speed.. and let me be very clear, that’s not what they hope to do, it is what they will do.. yes they can & you ain’t seen nothin’ yet..
oh yeah, i just saw a commercial for Copenhagen.. Cope (red hot black smokey sky scene), Hope (cool clear skies scene), 192 countries coming together to solve the worlds CO2 problem.. it’s being shown during ICE AGE THE MELTDOWN.. ergo, we’re not the audience they’re aiming to brainwash.. how many kids do you think may be tuned in??
either they haven’t got a clue they’ve been busted or they don’t give a bats guano.. my bets on the latter.. but hey, why should they worry about us poor ants.. they’re the RICH grasshoppers who are supposedly going to be taxed (which is why they have offshore bank accounts).. hah, the bridge is still for sale.. *sigh*
this plan has been in the making for a couple of decades at the very least, therefore i’m certain they have long prepared for any & all sorts of fallout contingencies..
albeit i will never surrender.. right or wrong, i will call it like i see it.. but then again i haven’t been brainwashed & haven’t that much time left on this planet anyways.. but i will keep my chin up & keep praying people wake up in time (may be too late as i see it, but ya never know, miracle’s still happen, and if ever we needed one, it is now)..
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November 27th, 2009 | 8:39 pm | #20
Stephen
November 27th, 2009 | 8:26 pm | #16
“We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan”
Do these morons even know what genocide and crimes against humanity are?
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Add King Leopold’s Belgium Congo genocide for rubber and ivory, the real-life basis for Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness.”
November 27th, 2009 | 8:40 pm | #21
“I would love to see the top generals meet privately with Obama and demand proof that his is their legitimate CiC. ”
I’m fearing that the worst is coming into focus: that the top generals of our U.S. military are political leftists. I have a sick feeling they have infiltrated the top levels of our military like they have already done so in media, universities and our legal system.
November 27th, 2009 | 8:43 pm | #22
This could very turn on him too:
“We know that Mr. Obama was illegally electioneering for his Kenyan cousin in both campaigning there for Mr. Odinga and raising millions of dollars in the United States for him
The end result was Mr. Odinga lost the election, but turned loose his terrorists who beat, robbed, raped and murdered in the most savage means Kenyan Citizens.
1300 people were massacred and over three hundred thousand people were forced to flee the Rift Valley.
Mr. Obama wants this international justice, so Americans should rally to this and have the ICC investigate every aspect of Mr. Obama’s life as an accomplice to the genocide in Kenya.
The ICC already is opening a case in the Kenyan crimes against humanity. All it will take is enough people demanding the investigation include on Barack Hussein Obama, and this criminal court will do the rest under Prosecutor Ocampo.”
h/t LC
November 27th, 2009 | 8:47 pm | #23
bg
November 27th, 2009 | 8:37 pm | #19
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if you thought things were moving fast since B Hussein O was selected as transitioner in charge, now that they are aware of US waking up, they will move with lightening speed.. and let me be very clear, that’s not what they hope to do, it is what they will do.. yes they can & you ain’t seen nothin’ yet..
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David Horowitz’s “Destructive Generation.” But being a godless bunch, they never see God’s hand about to land on them.
Honestly, after viewing the pix for the over-the-top “Obama’s first state dinner,” we half expected the words to appear on the luxury tents, “Mene, Mene, Tekel, Uparsin.”
November 27th, 2009 | 8:53 pm | #24
I say let him try to let that happen. The sooner, the better. Makes me want to run out and buy more ammo. Locked, loaded, safeties off!
(Stolen from Kenny!)
November 27th, 2009 | 8:54 pm | #25
Ann
November 27th, 2009 | 8:43 pm | #22
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That’ right! The IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons) are taking the Kenyan atrocities to the Hague. Odinga AND Kibaki are both being investigated. Odinga may not say much, but Kibaki may well demand more info on Obama, seeing that Obama worked to unseat him.
November 27th, 2009 | 8:54 pm | #26
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one thing i know for certain..
George W. Bush would never sign anything, especially against our troops..
i firmly believe he had to fight everyone from every department during his presidency, including his father.. therefore, no matter how bad one views what he did or didn’t do, i know in my heart what he was up against, and i’m surprised he did as well as he did considering..
more or less been calling this since 9/11..
now that it has become fully apparent that we not only have external enemies, but an even more threatening enemy within.. believe that i
can safely state beyond the shadow of a doubt..
it’s not a conspiracy, it’s fact..
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November 27th, 2009 | 9:03 pm | #27
I’m just wondering what part of sovereignty does this administration not understand?
November 27th, 2009 | 9:05 pm | #28
No Man thinks the Clintons and Janet Reno should be tried for crimes against humanity, i.e., murdering women and children at Waco.
November 27th, 2009 | 9:37 pm | #29
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wanumba @ 8:35 pm #18
re: [UNIVERSAL DRAFT bill]
don’t know the status..
H.R. 675: Building Obama’s Civilian National Security Force
Preparing for Civil Unrest in America
Obama’s Civilian National Security Force
btw, it’s NOT VOLUNTARY, it’s MANDATORY..
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November 27th, 2009 | 9:49 pm | #30
Obama may find himself in the dock for allowing airstrikes on what turned out to be civilian targets. He may find the far left turning on him for escalating the Afghanistan war.
This is sheer idiocy. As with many things Obama has done without considering the consequences, this one may come back to bite him personally.
November 27th, 2009 | 9:52 pm | #31
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Ann @ 8:43 pm #22 & wanumba @ 8:54 pm #25
“Kenya’s killing fields”
wanumba @ 8:47 pm #23
re: [“Mene, Mene, Tekel, Uparsin.”]
“I am confident that we can CREATE A KINGDOM right here on EARTH”
“my individual salvation is not going to come about
without a collective salvation for the country”
“my individual salvation depends on our collective salvation”
~ B Hussein O
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November 27th, 2009 | 9:59 pm | #32
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Corky Boyd @ 9:49 pm #30
do you honestly believe that will ever happen??
ipso facto: Obama is not doing what he’s doing on his own, he’s just the
selected par excellence transitioner for those who’s strings have been
tightly woven into to the fabric of his empty suit.. all anti-American pro-IslaMarxists by any other name..
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November 27th, 2009 | 10:27 pm | #33
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November 27th, 2009 | 10:45 pm | #34
Write the RNC and complain about their total lack of leadership. I did:
Hi:
I just stopped by for a moment to ask what’s going on with the Republican party. I voted McCain/Palin last year and have heard nothing from the GOP since McCain’s loss. I don’t mean hear personally, I mean hear at the national level, in terms of policies and positions, resistance against the marxists–leadership. That sort of thing.
In case you haven’t noticed, Obama and the Left have looted the US treasury and taken over the government. If their evil healthcare bill passes, they will be in control of almost 50% of the private economy and every aspect of our lives. If their unconstitutional actions meet with no resistance, our republic will be lost. Where I come from, that’s called a “coup”.
Is there any Republican with any balls in your organization? I’m just curious. The children in my family are going to be serfs living in cardboard boxes by the time this is over. Hello? Hello? Is anyone home? Please take a quick poll of the politicians in the room and see if any of them feel like leading. It’s a little risky and requires vision and character, but, statistically, you can’t all be losers. I’m sure I speak for many Americans when I say any little effort you might care to make on the voters’ behalf to save our republic would be greatly appreciated.
November 27th, 2009 | 11:19 pm | #35
I think of many potential crimes committed by the current administration…. and can’t wait for the investigations to begin Jan. 20th, 2013.
November 28th, 2009 | 12:46 am | #36
You gotta be f***ing kidding me.
Are we going to check if AQ and the Talis commit war crimes as well? Or genocide? Oh wait, when Saddam gassed a few hundred Kurds… nobody gave a damn! And some mohammedan “general” said a few weeks ago that “muslims can’t commit war crimes”.
The International Criminal Court is another leftist joke. Fitting how it sits in the Netherlands, where the government has already surrendered to the islamo-fascists.
Four years and out!
November 28th, 2009 | 12:49 am | #37
Lemme just add:
The German “secretary of defense” has resigned over the fuel truck “incident”. A high ranking general also has resigned over the same incident. The officer who called the airstrike on the Talis has not been hit with trial, yet. But the left wing in Germany wants him to burn as well.
Honestly, with all this, who wants to be a soldier anymore? You can’t even fart anymore without facing charges by the left wing.
November 28th, 2009 | 12:57 am | #38
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Andreas K. @ 12:49 am #36
just posted about that in another thread..
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squeaky @ 6:14 am #33
saw this man on PBS resigning earlier
tonight and your post came to mind..
German military chief quits over deadly Afghan strike
aslo saw the footage, if civilians were involved, where the heck they hid is beyond me.. but what can we expect when dissidents are declared more dangerous than terrorists (heard that from an Iranian dissident who they recently released, sounds familiar don’t it).. and the terrorists can claim victim-hood under this New World Order.. *sigh*
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November 28th, 2009 | 1:45 am | #39
It is way past the time for everyone to listen to Pastor Manning on “The Manning Report!”
http://www.atlah.org/streaming/manningreportlive.html
Listen to Nov. 23rd to Nov. 25th Extremely important.
And all must visit:
http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/
and
http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/sample-letter-for-treason/
The only way we can come close to stopping this is to have Obama removed from office brought up on the charges of treason! He is ineligible and we all know it. Pamela Geller of atlasshrugs.com covered the story back in May 2008 and from what I have seen the most exhaustive piece of investigation done yet; maybe 2nd to Dr. Orly Taitz!
There is no time to waste
November 28th, 2009 | 3:29 am | #40
Actually, I think we need to encourage Barry to go forward with this. He wants to do it anyway, so why not let him? Kind of reminds me of a story H L Mencken once told about the South; it will be so much fun to watch. Rope, give them more rope!
November 28th, 2009 | 6:02 am | #41
earlier this week i heard a discussion regarding the military and the numbers of young people who wouldn’t qualify to join for one reason or the other. i’ve heard that same fact discussed
before and chuckled at a chest beating mother
who declared that she wouldn’t let the military
have her son [at that time just an infant] – as if
he would “qualify” when he was older – yo mama he would have to qualify first. to try these guys at the hague you’d have to be able find a jury of their peers in a sea of pansies.
November 28th, 2009 | 7:43 am | #42
It is so sad to see us at this time of year…not supporting the young people to whom we owe our Freedom. My son is blessed he is Airborne in Afgstn. He was in a truck blown up on the road by an ambush, had a fractured hip, other minor bumps, and such. He is now on his second tour in Afgstn. He is there for us. When we turn on hot, and we turn on cold running water, sleep in a nice comfy. bed, and say what we want to say…
Thank God for our blessings and our children who toil in the heat, and in the cold, holding a gun, burning poop in a barrel, sleeping alertly, following orders from our leaders even … a president that probably hasn’t a clue how to do without toothpaste and a manicure, and the politically hungry with only money goals in their sights…. No mob mentality is needed here…just respect for our own, our soldiers, our children… our Fathers, our Mothers, Brothers and Sisters…
God is there and our Soldiers are there. Lets not have them burned as witches from someone else’s agenda.
November 28th, 2009 | 8:27 am | #43
crystal
November 27th, 2009 | 7:24 pm | #8
Jesus, why is our president such a beta? I’d rather have our troops home, than subject to “world” courts.
That is probably the motive behind all this schlek. To drum up support to bring the troops home.
November 28th, 2009 | 8:46 am | #44
If Obama should allow any of our soldiers to be tried by the Hague, I wonder if the military will allow it. Military coup, anyone? Sad to think that might be possible, no?
November 28th, 2009 | 8:51 am | #45
In the end, Obama is going to be neutralized by a single shot. That’s what he is seeking. That’s the truth.
November 28th, 2009 | 11:42 am | #46
Is this president that crazy,why does he hate this country so much??? He is dismanteling everything we stand for,!st he wants to bankrupt us completely now he,s going to get our men tryed in other countrys,does he not care one little but he should be brought to justice for treason,this man must be stopped impeach now!!!!
November 28th, 2009 | 1:51 pm | #47
The Lord said He would bring up a powerful leader only to wither his arm and blind his eye. I am beginning to think Obama fills this bill. He has become useless right before our eyes…weak, and unable to see his own foolishness.
November 28th, 2009 | 2:06 pm | #48
Trying American leaders or soldiers for doing their duty is an act of war against the United States. It fits no other definition. Enabling that act of war fits the extremely strict Constitutional standard for treason.
An act of treason by the President, aided and abetted by the majority in Congress would sever the Constitutional contract between the people and the government and practically demand that the language of the Declaration of Independence be applied to the current regime.
If the President wants to turn public disapproval into open revolt, he could find no better way.
November 28th, 2009 | 5:05 pm | #49
This is an OUTRAGE! I do not see the American People allowing this to happen without some kind of action. Obama continues to circumvent the checks and balances of our government with the help of his majority of minions in the house and senate. THIS WILL CHANGE IN 2010 WHEN WE VOTE THEM OUT, and in 2012 WHEN WE VOTE OBAMA OUT
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