It has begun…
Green activists want a ban on the really soft toilet tissue.
Kentucky.com reported, via FOX Nation:
Greenpeace, the Natural Resources Defense Council and other environmental groups have pushed manufacturers such as Kimberly-Clark (Cottonelle) and Procter & Gamble (Charmin) to stop using wood from virgin forests to make tissue products.
Mountains of paper are dumped every day into recycling bins in homes, offices, factories and schools. Use that to make toilet paper, the activists said.
Time to roll off the big number: If each American family would buy one recycled roll just one time, it would save 400,000 trees, allegedly.
The problem, though, is that each time paper is shredded during the recycling process, its fibers get shorter. The shorter the fiber, the less soft the tissue. And Americans, though indicating in surveys that they embraced green initiatives, also said they don’t want to sacrifice comfort.
“The truth is that other parts of the world are further along in using recycled content,” said Kay Jackson, spokeswoman for Kimberly-Clark. “The American consumer still wants softness, and they are speaking with their pocketbooks.”
Pulling back in a competitive market is asking a lot, manufacturers said. They also point out that only 5 percent of forest-industry production goes toward toilet paper.
Darby Hoover, a senior resource specialist with the Natural Resources Defense Council, understands the pressure of customer demand but wonders: Do we really need toilet paper to be as soft as it can be, or do we need it just soft enough?
Environmentalists said other countries — particularly in South America, Africa and Asia — seem to be OK with “soft enough.”
December 18th, 2009 | 9:56 pm | #1
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December 18th, 2009 | 9:59 pm | #2
You know if those blasted progressives would only use ONE SHEET at a time instead of 10-15 sheets they could save 8 million treeS :.) i’M SURE THEY WOULD ALL AGREE TO THAT!!!
December 18th, 2009 | 10:00 pm | #3
Reminds me of the story about the bear and the bunny side by side in the forest performing a “needed bodily function”. The bear asks the bunny, “Does poop stick to your fur?” “No,” replied the bunny, at which point the bear picked up the bunny and wiped with him. I feel the same way about the Greenpeace and other environmental Fascists. Maybe they would like to put their ….oh, never mind.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:11 pm | #4
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December 18th, 2009 | 10:16 pm | #5
They’ll have to pry my soft toilet paper from my cold, dead hands!
December 18th, 2009 | 10:16 pm | #6
Actually, a humongous amount of paper is manufactured from plantation grown trees, especially in the E and SE USA. Plantations, well managed, produce about twice or more the fiber per acre that natural forests do and, therefore reduce the need to harvest natural forests. Also, when those natural forests *are* harvested, the really big trees, like the Douglass Fir out west, are principally used for dimensional lumber (e.g., 2×4s), not paper pulp. So recycling for TP seems a doubtful way to save natural woodlands.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:17 pm | #7
Environmentalists – shut up and plant trees so I have something to make nice soft toilet paper with. And toothpicks and baseball bats, and gunstocks, and ax-handles and…
December 18th, 2009 | 10:21 pm | #8
No worries….. Cass Sunstein will simply “nudge” in the regulations…… and……. poof…….. sandpaper for every arse in what’s left of America….. except for the DC Elitists, of course.
The single most dangerous person in America right now is Cass Sunstein.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:40 pm | #9
“Environmentalists said other countries — particularly in South America, Africa and Asia — seem to be OK with “soft enough.””
Then, the “environmentalists” should move there
December 18th, 2009 | 10:46 pm | #10
Wait till these guys get married and accidently bring home a package of the “not so soft” type toilet paper. Sure, it doesn’t seem like such a big deal now. Toilet paper… schmoilet paper, right? But just wait. They’ll find out.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:49 pm | #11
It has nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with those types telling my types what and where and how to do it.
It’s a control issue. fight back.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:54 pm | #12
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December 18th, 2009 | 10:55 pm | #13
i can’t get over how stupid these greenies are, i mean seriously, they sit around and talk about toilet paper??? there are more important ways to help conserve trees, and worrying about the softness of toilet paper isn’t one of them. these losers need to get a life.
December 18th, 2009 | 10:57 pm | #14
When I was in England years ago, I was wishing for a roll of US TP or even an old US telephone book to use. Their TP is about as absorbent as wax paper. They all must be constipated as bunnies.
I will take my Charmin Ultra, thank you.
I was doing an Automation project at a St Regis paper mill in Jacksonville Fla, and they used a lot of pine logs too small for lumber, and skived Saw Mill tailings to make Card Board. I think they shipped some other raw preprocessed stock to other mills.
December 18th, 2009 | 11:32 pm | #15
This is where the allegedly green movement comes to a screatching halt. The proposition that using a renewable resource is bad for the environment is exactly the kind of claim that makes their entire cause look foolish at best, and sinister at worst.
December 18th, 2009 | 11:36 pm | #16
I forget who said it (P.J. O’Rourke maybe?) but it goes something like this:
The *overwhelming* majority of trees cut down to make paper were grown specifically for that purpose. Cutting down on paper use to save trees is like eating less corn to conserve corn stalks.
December 18th, 2009 | 11:38 pm | #17
DKN has it exactly correct: our “soft” toilet paper is made from pulpwood – trees too small to cut into lumber – which is a managed, renewable resource.
The “environmentalists” might as well be telling us to stop eating popcorn to “save the cornstalks!” It makes NO sense whatever.
Very stupid people make such pronouncements, and those who believe and follow them are even duller.
December 18th, 2009 | 11:55 pm | #18
Does this qualify as a “soft news” story? :)
December 19th, 2009 | 12:12 am | #19
Environmentalists said other countries — particularly in South America, Africa and Asia — seem to be OK with “soft enough.”
……………………….
… particularly AFRICA and ASIA???
WHAT toilet paper?
These people are shameless.
December 19th, 2009 | 1:12 am | #20
Next Earth Day I expect all the Copenhagen Farcefest attendees out some where planting trees to offset the carbon whatsis their limos and Lears spewed.
How about using recycled paper in disposable diapers? Nope – we don’t won’t want crabby, rashy babies – if we “choose” to have them in the first place.
What about more environmentally-friendly paper for adult diapers? Now there’s a way to one’s ticker! No, no – I mean tuckus.
December 19th, 2009 | 1:46 am | #21
In USSR there was no TP, so people used newspapers (Pravda etc.). This new green requirement is just an attempt to boost newspapers sale.
On the other side, they can start with an attempt to stop printed versions of NYT
December 19th, 2009 | 2:37 am | #22
Great Northern uses fast-growing hybrid poplar trees to manufacture paper in Wisconsin and the upper Midwest. Forests are not being sacrificed for toilet tissue … the raw material is specifically grown for the process, just as corn is specifically grown to make ethanol.
I read that the people of Afghanistan us small rocks as TP. I think I’ll stick with four-ply Ultra Plush.
December 19th, 2009 | 4:24 am | #23
0bama:
I agree with environmentalists. I use my finger to wipe, pick and roto-root my bung hole clean. Then Michelle gets out some soft toilet paper and wipes my finger clean. It works for me.
I think all environmentalists should become and example to the world and pick their bung holes clean. That would save a huge amount of bung paper. I get some of my best ideas while picking my bung hole. Just look how “Cash for Clunkers” worked out.
My Limousine is running and I have a date… I mean a meeting with Kevin Jennings. We will discuss butt fingering and fisting in the back of the limousine. I have to look busy. Good day.
December 19th, 2009 | 6:25 am | #24
IIIIIIIIIIIIIII am The Great Cornholio !
I need TP for my bunghole !
You freaks will NOT not ban the great and almighty TP !
You do not want to face the wrath of my bunghole !
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Well…. somebody had to say it. I elected me.
;-)
Cheers !
Kenny Solomon
Senior Expediter
The 72 Virgins Club Travel Agency
Offices throughout the 57 states of America.
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He said ‘bunghole’. heh…. heh….. heh…. he he he….. heh.
:-P
December 19th, 2009 | 6:32 am | #25
I lived in Russia from 1996-9, and I bought plenty of very rough, non-absorbent toilet paper. The good American stuff was $$$$ at that time. Anyway, it’s not a pleasant experience. If your tp is not soft and does not absorb….well, you get a serious smearing, not wiping, effect.
That said, it’s not THAT big a deal. But I despise environuts trying to change my life for me.
December 19th, 2009 | 7:05 am | #26
These are the same Commies who brought us the Great Global Warming Fraud. What have they got up their sleeves this time? One thing is sure. It has nothing to do with virgin forest.
December 19th, 2009 | 7:55 am | #27
Give me toilet paper or give me death
December 19th, 2009 | 7:58 am | #28
We could recycle the used TP to make paper for printing health care reform bills.
December 19th, 2009 | 8:04 am | #29
In their heart of hearts, your average environmentalist is a fascist, totalitarian dictator wannabe.
December 19th, 2009 | 8:06 am | #30
Look, if these activists want to wipe their butts with razor grass, that’s their right. However, they have no right to decide what I should use to wipe my butt. In countries like China, toilet paper runs the gamut from young cardboard (a solid and very rough sheet; avoid using if you have the trots) to soft enough. When I discovered a brand (by accident) that produced a soft paper (decent by American standards), all my friends who visited and used the bathroom wanted to know where I got it. I generously gave them each a roll and told them the price. These jokers who are trying to set standards for butt wipes are just another set of communists seeking to deprive us of even simple personal rights like the brand of toilet paper we use. In a world in which the green revolution has sparked the replanting of trees, the one thing we do not lack is trees sufficient to keep us in soft wipes. Since staying in business means keeping trees planted, then the wackos are simply seeking power and control over us. That’s what it’s all about: power and control. Communist bastards!
December 19th, 2009 | 8:12 am | #31
Dang it, should’a saved my old Sears catalogs…..
December 19th, 2009 | 8:15 am | #32
There once was a movement called green,
Which was not as great as it seemed,
It wanted control,
Of our hearts and our souls,
And our toileting procedures; quite obscene!
December 19th, 2009 | 8:23 am | #33
Sure, mess with people with guns and sore butts.
December 19th, 2009 | 8:51 am | #34
I was told by an ex-cuban that they did not even have toilet paper. She said they used to wipe themselves with the government proproganda newspaper. How fitting.
December 19th, 2009 | 9:05 am | #35
everybody send a roll of charmin to greenpeace. perhaps this will help to get their heads out their a##’es.
December 19th, 2009 | 9:07 am | #36
I wish the liberoenvironmentokooks would just sit down and STHU!!
Geez.
They shut down Cottonelle and I’m going to revolt.
December 19th, 2009 | 9:11 am | #37
So the greenies want John Wayne toilet paper. Rough and tough and takes no s^*t from anyone.
December 19th, 2009 | 9:43 am | #38
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December 19th, 2009 | 10:26 am | #39
So who verified they use “virgin” forests? They grow trees like a crop and replant once it is harvested. I hardly think they are cutting down old growth forests for the wood product they need. Here in the US we grow trees like corn. Go to “The Paper University” for paper answers http://www.tappi.org/paperu/all_about_paper/earth_answers/earthAnswers.htm
They do not cut virgin forests to make toilet paper! Geesh!
December 19th, 2009 | 11:00 am | #40
You are taking the wrong tack on this. Indeed, using virgin lumber for toilet paper is a waste (no pun intended). Certainly the way to get this accomplished is to make the market demand for toilet paper fabricated from virgin lumber approach zero. As opposed to hectoring the paper companies.
Instead of banging on the enviro-whack jobs for their goal, bang on them for their solution.
And, make it a point to help the rest of us by pushing on the demand curve by boycotting toilet paper made from virgin lumber.
Here is what we do .. we go to the store and deliberately pay more for paper made from 100% recycled paper. Every roll of paper towels and toilet paper in my home is selected because it does not contain paper made from virgin lumber.
Get on the solution train and quit bashing the enviro-whack jobs over the goal of their efforts. Teach them how to accomplish worthy goals in a free market.
December 19th, 2009 | 11:17 am | #41
I learned about the tree farms or tree plantations a few years ago when the meanie greenies took a swipe at Christmas trees, trying to guilt people out of buying them or into buying live trees that have to be planted after Christmas, instead. The trees that are sold at tree lots each year are also grown on tree farms.
The environmental nutjobs are full of it. They’re just joyless, angry people who take it out on everyone else, especially those who aren’t unhappy like they are. They take it out on them by taking advantage of the good nature and good intentions that most people possess, trying to make them feel guilty. They’re green ’cause they’re mean. They’re mean greenies.
These libtarded control freaks have forced their way into our boardrooms and bedrooms. Now they want in our bathrooms, too.
December 19th, 2009 | 11:21 am | #42
Paul A\’Barge
December 19th, 2009 | 11:00 am | #40
Teach them how to accomplish worthy goals in a free market.
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If that’s what turns you on, then knock yourself out. As for me, I’m not wasting my time on them.
December 19th, 2009 | 11:24 am | #43
So ok are we going to have “toilet paper police” now? Send them to the White House first I say. I will be hiding in my bathroom with my Charmin Ultra Soft in one hand and my Taurus revolver in the other. Hope I don’t get confused :) That could be painful.
December 19th, 2009 | 11:51 am | #44
Why do we want to “save trees”? They sequester carbon. If the enviros really believed in the dangers associated with human-caused global warming, they would push a policy to encourage the use of MORE trees to produce MORE paper, thereby sequestering MORE CARBON.
/sorry for the shouting. I really hate environmentalists who have refused to acquire any science or math background.
December 19th, 2009 | 11:57 am | #45
The green activists yield so many perverse results.
We are losing timberlands. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1016/is_4_111/ai_n16088667/
The enviros have been opposing the use of land by companies that produce wood products
http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HowWeConserve/Landscapes/Initiatives/Washington/Washington.htm
with enough discouragement, these companies do leave and are replaced by ….. houses.
Damn fools.
December 19th, 2009 | 12:10 pm | #46
Hopefully, manufacturers will use this ridiculous request as a teaching moment to explain how a reusable resource is managed, thereby embarassing these fools into silence.
At a minimum, the producers should issue a statement that politely but firmly tells these greenies to mind their own business.
December 19th, 2009 | 1:41 pm | #47
They should go after the U.S. Congress for their bills consisting of 1000’s of pages for starters.
In Europe, you have to pack your own toilet paper when travelling because the washrooms aren’t supplied.
Also you can recycle a live Christmas tree, but the fakes take eons to disintegrate and then again you wouldn’t want them to either.
Maybe they want people to start using their hand, left I believe, and water to wipe their butt…….millions of Muslims can’t be wrong…..or could they?
December 19th, 2009 | 3:12 pm | #48
“…….millions of Muslims can’t be wrong…..or could they?”
Yes
December 19th, 2009 | 8:57 pm | #49
Joanne
December 19th, 2009 | 1:41 pm | #47
Maybe they want people to start using their hand, left I believe…
LOL!
December 20th, 2009 | 7:43 pm | #50
Why can’t we just use better logging practices? Clearcutting devastates ecosystems and can take centuries to fully regenerate, but selective cutting would take only trees that would have died anyway or contributed to wildfire danger. One project like this is already underway in my state of Colorado, where a proposel is in the works that would convert beetle kill trees (a huge problem along the western slope) into biofuels! Get rid of one problem, and fill the need for carbon nuetral fuel at an affordable cost, that’s a good solution! It’s really annoying to hear everyone bashing enviormentalism. It’s not there to “control your lives” or because they’re “angry people.” But because they feel a responsibility outside themselves, in the same way that you might inconviniance yourself to support American buisness.
December 21st, 2009 | 5:23 am | #51
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December 25th, 2009 | 5:27 pm | #52
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