A mysterous Muslim group with unknown sponsors has purchased a building steps away from Ground Zero.
Hudson New York reported:
An identified group with unknown sponsors has purchased building steps away from where the WorldTrade Center once stood — to turn it into potentially one of the largest New York City mosques.
At the moment the building, the old Burlington Coat Factory, already serves as a mini-mosque: an iron grill lifts every Friday afternoon for a little known Imam leading prayers a few yards away from where Osama Bin Laden’s airborne Islamist bombers killed nearly 3000 people back in 2001.
The Imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, told the New York Times — which put the story on its front page Wednesday — that he has assembled several million dollars to turn it into ‘’an Islamic center near the city’s most hallowed piece of land that would stand as one of ground zero’s more unexpected and striking neighbors.’’
The 61-year-old Imam said he paid $4.85 million for it — in cash, records show. With 50,000 square feet of air rights and enough financing, he plans an ambitious project of $150 million, he said, akin to the Chautauqua Institution, the 92 Street Y or the Jewish Community Center.The origins of such monies are unexplained; neither are the countries or entity advancing such huge donations. Most US mosques, including many in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx are funded directly or indirectly by Saudi Arabia the country to which 15 of the 19 hijackers who bombed the World TradeCenter belonged. The UAE, Qatar and Iran are other major sponsors across the USA.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:05 pm | #1
Only in America
December 16th, 2009 | 12:05 pm | #2
I’m f-in speechless…..
December 16th, 2009 | 12:08 pm | #3
WAKE UP, America! If you want to see the future of America, read about Britain today at Atlas Shrugs and Bare Naked Islam (both linked from this site). Sharia law is in the works for us, too.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:09 pm | #4
Can I say how absolutely disturbing this is?? First, we get the Flight 93 memorial shaped in the form of a crescent pointing towards Mecca, now this?
I am extremely appalled, totally dismayed and absolutely disgusted…
December 16th, 2009 | 12:13 pm | #5
No sorrow, no repentance – the followers of Islamic teachings (and their apologists) snicker and giggle at the trauma their actions have caused. All the while, Western societies offer feeble words of empty outrage and self-accusation.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:16 pm | #6
In your face America! Allah is God.
That is the message being sent. How long do we sit silent? Do you sit silent till you appear at a Shari counsel for sentencing of stoning for being an infidel? Fanatical Islam will kill you just like it does around the world:
2009.12.15 (Dera Ghazi Khan, Pakistan) – Thirty-three shoppers at an outdoor market are blown apart by a Fedayeen suicide car bomber.
2009.12.15 (Kabul, Afghanistan) – A suicide car bomber takes out seven people standing outside a hotel.
2009.12.15 (Gardez, Afghanistan) – Five people are blown to bits by Jihadi bombers.
2009.12.14 (Pattani, Thailand) – A 37-year-old woman is slashed to death by Muslim radicals.
2009.12.14 (al-Manari, Iraq) – A man and his family are murdered in their home by suspected al-Qaeda.
2009.12.14 (Narathiwat, Thailand) – Muslims gun down a 38-year-old Buddhist.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:17 pm | #7
AAAAAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
What’s it gonna take to get New Yorkers out in the street protesting? They’re OK with KSM being tried there? They’re OK with this latest blasphemy?
AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
December 16th, 2009 | 12:19 pm | #8
Thank you, Sanmon, for giving the inventory of casualties of Islamic violence for JUST THE PAST TWO DAYS. The daily tally is available, in meticulous detail, at http://www.barenakedislam.wordpress.com.
Go see it for yourself.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:21 pm | #9
The in-your-face-ness of this is beyond galling. I keep thinking of the passage in Revelations where it says that the Antichrist would not be subtle or hard to find–that, rather, he would be right there in people’s faces, proud and showing off for everyone to see.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:26 pm | #10
Hmmm, zoning. Be interesting if religious centers were zoned out of the area around Ground Zero. Say, out to 2 blocks away…..
December 16th, 2009 | 12:29 pm | #11
CargoSquid,
Unfortunately, that would prevent that Orthodox congregation that lost their humble little church on 9/11 from rebuilding. They are still in the process.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:34 pm | #12
Read the entire article over at Hudson New York and I vote that it is a HUGE INSULT!!!
That guy Brent and that millionaire idiot Bloomberg are clueless political hacks!! Money obviously talks – not love for America, not sorrow for the 9/11 terrorist attack, not honor for our Judeo-Christian heritage, and not a clue about the need for protection, integrity, faith and remembrance for the 9/11 victims and their STILL GRIEVING FAMILIES!
What will it take for Americans to wake up and smell the coming Muslim invasion (just ask Britain what they are going through now) and forcing Sharia “law” upon our beloved nation??
December 16th, 2009 | 12:35 pm | #13
It’s not that these guys would try such in-your-face, that’s quite straightforward. It’s the gutless passivity to allow it that’s so infuriating.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:36 pm | #14
Nice. So we’re going to let them create a spot to worship the terroristic acts they perpetrated, at the very site where 3,000 Americans were killed at their hands.
The end is nigh, folks.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:37 pm | #15
Kathy from Kansas,
As you know that was not even the full list of the murders committed in the last few days by Islamist.
First they came for the _____, and I did not speak out—because I was not a ______;
Then they came for the ______, and I did not speak out—because I was not a _________;
Then they came for the ______, and I did not speak out—because I was not a ________;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:37 pm | #16
I read this about 45 minutes ago and still have not commented because I really do not know what to say.
If we, as a nation, are completely unwilling to recognize the enemy within, then why in the hell not have a monument to Islam next the the WTC site.
Why not? There is no reason. We are gutless wonders and sitting ducks. The citizens of NYC need to rise up. Not likely.
Hey! Maybe this was what the NYC flyover was about. Scouting property.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:39 pm | #17
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December 16th, 2009 | 12:39 pm | #18
Kathy from Kansas
December 16th, 2009 | 12:17 pm | #7
We wouldn’t know if they are protesting. For that matter, there may be small pockets of protesters who don’t know about each other. Let’s not forget that when there are hundreds of Tea Partiers protesting, the lamestream media reports dozens. When there are thousands, the lamestream media reports a couple hundred. There’s been a coup in WA and of the mainstream media in America.
Christinewjc, JamesDoulos and Sanmon, thank you for telling it like it is. Everyone else needs to hightail it to over to Atlas Shrugs and Bare Naked Islam if you don’t already and learn more about the Islamification of the west. (Not to downplay Gateway Pundit’s work; Hoft has his hands busy with revealing the truth of GLSEN and Climategate.) And click on bg’s links about Islam.
PS: I’m also a Kathy.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:44 pm | #19
they the THEY are laughing at us in the U.S.
When are Christians going to STAND UP???? —
We are fighting an OLD WAR!!!
The majority of US citizens were ‘trained’ at the propagandized public schools– and do not see the ‘picture’ because they were never taught un-re-written history!!!
As to the Above Question…
I guess NEVER!!!!
C-CS
December 16th, 2009 | 12:49 pm | #20
What the what!
December 16th, 2009 | 12:50 pm | #21
I just thank God we have a Christian President with strong moral values and leadership.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:51 pm | #22
gus, that was last year…………
December 16th, 2009 | 12:52 pm | #23
Ladies and Gentleman nothing took look at here. This is not an issue. Wake up America. Let us not forget the Crusades.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:52 pm | #24
Kind of like building a memorial for the guards at the site of a now non-functioning Nazi death camp. If we allow this abomination to happen, then perhaps we deserve the gross insult and mockery it implies.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:55 pm | #25
Rush Limbaugh
December 16th, 2009 | 12:52 pm | #23
The Crusades, as bloody and exaggerated as they were, were a response to 700 years of Islamic terror and persecution of Christians.
December 16th, 2009 | 12:58 pm | #26
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:05 pm | #27
You are questioning me, your annointed one? Spreading falsehoods in the process? You will certainly be damned to hell. It’s time Christians stand up and recognize the errors of their past or else they will not be accepted in the Kingdom of Heaven. Wake up ladies and gentlemen.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:10 pm | #28
The liberals must be very proud.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:16 pm | #29
I have become inured to the slights that we face on a daily basis but this is too much. This cannot be allowed. Free country or not, it should not be permissible to defecate in the face of Americans. Lines must be drawn in order to retain a civil, American society.
There is so much wrong with this. Let me be the first to say–the 1,438th most holy site in islam.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:16 pm | #30
Sod off, troll. I’m not even a Limbaugh listener or fan and he’s sure as hell not an anointed one as far as I’m concerned.
Because the libtards all march in lock-step, they assume all conservatives do, too. Lefturds don’t realize that we’re not all of one mind.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:18 pm | #31
Women should revolt against any attempt of imposing Sharia law. This is not tolerance in religion. This is oppression to women’ s western ideals.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:21 pm | #32
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absolutely no mystery to me..
bit more here & here & here (be sure to
scroll & check comment links as well)..
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:23 pm | #33
If I say what I want to, I’ll be arresyted for starting a war.
Really.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:25 pm | #34
Well well well, Fugazi has morphed into Rush Limbaugh.
Ah, Fugazi, you are still a moron troll!
December 16th, 2009 | 1:27 pm | #35
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“I am not a Muslim” ~ B Hussein O
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:27 pm | #36
May lightening strike that building every time they try to build.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:28 pm | #37
With this ladies and gentlemn we witness the evil that is the Free market. It’s time the only law that matters, the law of the bible, is adopted as the law of this wonderful land. Before a figure such as Caliph Umar rises up and insists that Jews, Christians and Muslims all live side by side, we must make a change.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:29 pm | #38
Yes Kenny, but you’re not alone in your thoughts.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:29 pm | #39
I just came from worldnetdaily where I saw a disturbing video of women being trained on a compound in upstate NY using swords, rifles, guns – mimicking slitting throats, etc.:
http://wnd.com
All of it has to be exposed. Something should be done now — it’ll only be more difficult, and uglier, if we wait.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:30 pm | #40
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please be sure to check out the numerous links in comments/
older comments, as well as the links within the links, thanks..
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:32 pm | #41
For once I am utterly speechless…this took my breath away.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:34 pm | #42
OT from Bare Naked Islam: According to Michael Goldfarb’s source on Capitol Hill…The White House has threatened Ben Nelson (D-NE) with the closure of Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska if he opposes Reid’s latest version, despite its status as the headquarters of US Strategic Command…
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/thug-in-chiefs-extortion-of-americas-national-security/
December 16th, 2009 | 1:36 pm | #43
Is anyone else here going to tell #37 that he’s an idiot? That Islam doesn’t want to stand side-by-side with Christians and Jews? That Islam wants him/her dead? I’ve been shooting down trolls all morning and it’s tiring.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:39 pm | #44
Ladies and gentlemen will one of you please offer to AuntieMadder a history lesson? I have not the time, I have show prep to do.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:42 pm | #45
Auntie Madder,
It’s the douchenozzle Fugazi.
Nobody takes anything he writes seriously. He’s a moron who has nothing to do all day except troll blogs and write idiotic statements.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:46 pm | #46
Ah, Chisum. He must have split personalities, then. This one is a literate idiot while the other is a semi-literate moron.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:47 pm | #47
Obama, of course, will be proud to be present at the dedication of the proposed viper pit.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:48 pm | #48
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:49 pm | #49
AuntieMadder
You’ll love this book:
Empires of the Sea – The Seige of Malta, the Battle of Lepanto and the Contest for the Center of the Earth, by Roger Crowley
Squabbling, back-stabbing Europe faces the unified Ottoman Empire War Machine under Sulieman the Great.
1) Nothing New under the sun
2) France has a loooong history of infuriating everyone
3) The roots of today’s clash of civilizations
and a good reality check:
4) “Sell-out” was more common than “hold the line”
December 16th, 2009 | 1:51 pm | #50
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December 16th, 2009 | 1:54 pm | #51
Sorry, El Rushbo—if you want Auntie Madder provided with a history lesson, you provide it. Otherwise, take her advice, and sod off.
Oh, and Rushie, speaking of history, Islam really doesn’t want to live in peace with you—which you’d know, if you actually knew any history. Try Google, clusty.com, etc. Or crack open a book. You know, of those funny things with covers and pages and funny black scribblings on the pages, which, actually, you know, say things. It’s a good idea to read one once in a while, rather than getting your talking points from KOS, or Arianna Huffle-puff.
(How was that, Auntie?)
December 16th, 2009 | 1:54 pm | #52
When the first plans for the Flight 93 memorial were made public we complained but otherwise did nothing. The memorial is being built as planned.
When muslims killed our citizens in several cities around the country we complained but otherwise did nothing. The perpetrators have been prosecuted, but never charged with “Hate Crimes” since that designation has been reserved for caucasian perpetrators who have assaulted people of color.
Time and time again the roots of muslim terror are traced to Saudi Arabia and we complain. Yet nothing is done and eventually another atrocity is forced down our throats.
Our own Department of Homeland Security has recently been augmented with the addition of two devout muslims in places of authority. Do we complain again only to have our concerns ignored? Probably.
Now we see the very people who are most to blame for the deaths of nearly 3000 Americans setting up a mosque at the site of their own version of a holocaust and people call out to us to… Complain?
Two common bumper-sticker axioms come to mind here: First, ‘Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is a definition of insanity,’ and second, ‘Well-behaved people rarely make history.’
Our founders tried being polite by complaining to Parliament and the King. They made history by eschewing politeness. Is there a lesson there?
December 16th, 2009 | 1:58 pm | #53
I think we really need to pin down the reason for the location. This guy’s been in NYC for a long time, and his mosque was originally located near the Twin Towers. So, buying up a property there could make sense (or not.).
Those of us who were not offended by the presence of the Carmelite nuns at Auschwitz
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/15/world/pope-orders-nuns-out-of-auschwitz.html
have to allow a little bit of room for doubt. I thought the response of some Jews to the presence of this order to be ungracious and thoroughly wrong-headed. I thought a house of prayer was badly needed on that abused ground.
That said, I don’t find the comment by Feisal Abdul Rauf, ‘’an Islamic center near the city’s most hallowed piece of land that would stand as one of ground zero’s more unexpected and striking neighbors’’ to be reassuring.
So, who is Feisal Abdul Rauf, and has anybody read his book, “What’s right with Islam”?
What’s the ASMA society, and what have its activities been?
By their fruits you shall know them.
If this
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/feisal_abdul_rauf/2009/04/time_to_update_islamic_law.html
is a fair example of his philosopy, he’s a friend and ally:
“At the core of Shariah law are God’s commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law – that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.”
“Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.”
Just scratchin’ the surface, here.
December 16th, 2009 | 1:59 pm | #54
Ladies and Gentlemen of course I am a historian and know well the history of the Caliph Umar. Don’t forget to sign up on my site for Rush 24/7. You will have access to shows from weeks past. This audio will be of great assistance when blasting liberals here on gateway pundit.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:00 pm | #55
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December 16th, 2009 | 2:03 pm | #56
I read the synopsis of the book at amazon. You’re right, wanumba, I probably would like that book.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:04 pm | #57
“Rush” – stick a sock in it. We all know you are not who you say you are.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:04 pm | #58
Fugazi is a douchenozzle.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:06 pm | #59
Fugazi, you are no Rush Limbaugh. At least Rush is funny.
Don’t you have anything better to do than troll blogs?
December 16th, 2009 | 2:12 pm | #60
No, Valerie, he’s not an ally and his own words prove it: At the core of Shariah law are God’s commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran.
The New Testament did not revise God’s commandments. The Commandments remain the same. Jesus completed them for us because we’ve proven ourselves weak and unable to live by them. Jews live by the law and will be judged by the law.
“The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law – that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty.”
Again, untrue. We have no laws regarding adultery, forbidding education for females, and requiring females to dress modestly, to name only a few.
Read from the source linked in the post if you really want to learn about the imam and his motives. He’s not your friend.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:13 pm | #61
Thanks, Betty Blue.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:14 pm | #62
OldFart – exactly what I was thinking. Everyone has an opinion, but until the people of the U.S. slam their feet down and take back their country, it will just be a lot of hot CO2 being spewed in the air. Everyone knows what it is going to come down to, but no one wants to go there. Sooner or later, Americans are going to find themselves there whether they like it or not…..just be ready when it does.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:17 pm | #63
No practicing Muslim is your friend; all non-Muslims are infidels to be dominated or killed. You can’t have two masters.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:29 pm | #64
The guy is not your friend. He is practiced though at the art of convincing the gullible that Islam is no different from any other religion, and law is law.
Absolute and total bs but saying so works and people believe.
December 16th, 2009 | 2:41 pm | #65
Is that really Rush?
December 16th, 2009 | 3:03 pm | #66
Seriously. This is pissing me off. Revolution IS coming…
December 16th, 2009 | 3:05 pm | #67
Muslims in Nazareth proposed building a mosque next to the Basilica of the Annunciation in 1997, that would have overshadowed it. Israel initially allowed it but withdrew permission after Christians objected.
December 16th, 2009 | 3:07 pm | #68
Another site that gives you a daily tally of Muslim atrocities is http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
December 16th, 2009 | 3:43 pm | #69
One of the groups is the imam himself as the NYT reported a few weeks ago.
It’s operating as a mosque right now and there have been complaints that have been ignored…in effect they are likely breaking zoning ordinances right now…and have been for a while.
Imam Faisal has called America and Christians the first terrorists.
The imam’s wife serves on an advisory team for the National September 11 Memorial and Museum and both have worked with/for the US State Dept.
We covered it in this post at the time- Islamic center, mosque planned two blocks from Ground Zero
And will have to update now… an imam with $4.85 Million dollars in cash? hmmm
December 16th, 2009 | 3:43 pm | #70
I became a born-again Christian in 1981. A few months after being saved I had a very disturbing dream. I dreamt that I was beheaded. I told the lady at the church I attended who was my mentor about what I had dreamt. She looked at me askance and said that her beautician told her the other day that she had also had a dream about being beheaded. Well, of course in the 1980′s that was just put off to the side for further evaluation.
Now I am starting to wonder about that dream and what does that mean for all of America.
This is a very troubling thing that is happening in America. And America needs to wake up and repent and turn to God (the Christian/Judeo God). We are in a lot of trouble.
Now I wonder if my dream will be fulfilled
December 16th, 2009 | 3:52 pm | #71
Weapons storage?
December 16th, 2009 | 4:11 pm | #72
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December 16th, 2009 | 4:12 pm | #73
Perfect, then. Once it is completed. Destroy it in the same fashion. An eye for an eye.Sharia law.
December 16th, 2009 | 4:16 pm | #74
“BettyBlue
December 16th, 2009 | 1:54 pm | #51 ”
‘Arianna Huffle-puff.”
I have been watching her BAIT and LEAD them around like sheep, and I am sure she is laughing all the way to the bank.
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December 16th, 2009 | 4:19 pm | #75
“olm
December 16th, 2009 | 12:51 pm | #22
gus, that was last year…………”
LOL, I think Gus slept thru the Hope and Change.
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December 16th, 2009 | 4:26 pm | #76
The voters of the USA elected politicians that saw no difference between the 9/11 perpetrators and us. They, and I am including obama in this, more or less said we had it coming. We elected individuals (obama, again) that declared we had lost in Iraq and should just accept defeat and return home. Our enemy has correctly interpreted our “resolve” and are acting accordingly…..and we are surprised?!
December 16th, 2009 | 4:30 pm | #77
People, keep buying guns and ammunition. Keep buying dried goods. Keep up the martial arts and tactical firearms training. Prepare for what is coming. There are Muslim training camps all over the United States and they aren’t practicing community organizing. They are training like SWAT trains.
It’s going to come down to U.S. Civilians Vs. Muslim Extremists. If old Uncle Sam won’t take care of us, We must take care of us.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:05 pm | #78
Nicotinegun
December 16th, 2009 | 4:30 pm | #77
I’m ready to head up to Arkansas now and find myself a good cave to live in for a while.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:15 pm | #79
This appalling news hurts. I wonder if this is how 8th century Jews and Christians felt when the Muslims built their big ugly mosque on the Temple Mount.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:18 pm | #80
I’m sick to my stomach. I live in NY and I can tell you we are in disbelief over the decision to bring those monsters here for their “trial”. This is just incomprehensible to me. But it was also incomprehensible that this nation elected a President who is muslim, with the middle name Hussein just 7 years out of 9/11. When will it stop? Are we going to just let them destroy us completely? I can’t imagine what will transpire in our city during that trial. We are being made an even bigger target (if that’s possible) than we already were. And political correctness be damned. Not all muslims are terrorists? Really? All terrorists are muslim………period. They have fanned out across the globe, and if they all take a stand at once, God help us.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:30 pm | #81
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re: bg @ 1:21 pm #32
just in case it isn’t working right..
posting the no mystery link again..
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December 16th, 2009 | 5:36 pm | #82
you’re welcome, Auntie! :)
For me, the most frightening thing about this whole affair is that our own government, and elites, appear to be backing the Imam, and all those Saudi/Dubai/whoever backers of the mosque. As another poster pointed out, we complain, but nothing happens.
It might just come down to citizens being forced to protect themselves. (Hang on to that cave in Arkansas!)
That book sounds good, Wanumba.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:37 pm | #83
Ariana Huffle-puff is a nasty, greedy woman, who dreams of being She-Sultan of the United Emirates of the USA.
It won’t happen; I think she’s in for a nasty shock.
December 16th, 2009 | 5:44 pm | #84
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Valerie @ 1:58 pm #53
this devout Muslim totally disagrees with him..
this devout Muslim (and he is not alone) has been warning US about Political Islam / Sharia Law being the core of the enemy we face for
years now..
[At times there is only a binary choice in the public ether between the voices who say that “Islam is the problem” and the tired voices of the Islamists who provide endless apologetics, denial, victimization, and every deflection possible short of responsibility or actual ideological solutions for a counter-jihad and reformation. Certainly, the Islamists, no matter how peaceful, who look at the world through the lens of political Islam are at the core of the ideological problem. They knowingly and unknowingly feed the enemy’s central political construct of society—political Islam. Yet, we so need to separate political Islam (Islamism) from the spiritual faith of Islam as a faith.]
just a sample, much more here..
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December 16th, 2009 | 6:17 pm | #85
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Undercover Mosque
The Return
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December 16th, 2009 | 6:22 pm | #86
Don’t miss this video.
New MOA Terror Training Video Exposed
YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebg6AFylios&feature=player_embedded
December 16th, 2009 | 6:35 pm | #87
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Defeating Salafism and Wahhabism the Right way
[There is finally a growing, albeit late, consensus toward the obvious that Wahhabism, and moreover Salafism, are profound threats to the security of Western-style governments. Conversely, successful nation states founded in the essence of religious freedom for all and the separation of organized religion and governance are the greatest ideological threats to the Salafists and the transnational movement of political Islam. We cannot forget this. The messaging of autocrats are not threats to the message of Islamists. But the messaging of free thinkers is. We must always maintain laws, practice, and messaging which epitomizes our values of freedom. To compromise that is to surrender what it is to be American and what threatens the Islamists the most.
In the West, we have seen the face of this threat as al Qaeda and the other militant offshoots of political Islam. It was no coincidence that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Wahhabi-trained. Our Homeland Security has prevented over 30 attacks by militant Salafists against our citizenry since 9/11. The threat of the ideology of Wahhabism, Salafism, and political Islam cannot
be denied.]
of course that was before Obama reversed course, and/but alas,
Jasser sees right through Obama, as well as Ellison & Carson..
[Guests included Congressman Keith Ellison, (D-MN), Cong. Andre Carson (D-IN), “Representatives of the Obama Administration”, Rev. Walter Fauntroy (DC-Delegate), Zaid Shakir and Hamza Yusef (of the Zaytuna Institute), Fmr. Capt. James Yee, Senegalese President Abduolaye Wade, CAIR Michigan Director, Dawud Walid, and Johari Abdul-Malik of the Muslim Alliance of North America. This list reads like a Who’s Who of leading Islamists in the United States, all of whom share the ideological framework of political Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood. One need not look far to see the types of ideas shared by these Muslims. For example, Mr. Johari Abdul-Malik spoke just last year at a July 2008 London conference of the “Radical Middle Way”. This Radical Middle Way, sadly British government supported, is an ideological outgrowth of the ideas of Sheikh Yusef Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.]
links @ link & bg @ 1:30 pm #40
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December 16th, 2009 | 6:37 pm | #88
If you build them (mosques), they (muslims) will come.
To be against such a mosque would be discriminatory–the same as opposing Kevin Jennings for being a homosexual.
Discrimination is not always bad; it stems from a gut instinct of being safe over sorry.
The Islamists and the homosexuals are now using our free society against us. We can’t keep perverts out of our schools–they have ‘rights.’ Ditto for Islamists. Mosques are where they plot and plan and study their book of hate. Did you ever notice how Friday prayers at mosques are where these jihadists get lathered up prior to attacking?
Minarets (the phallic towers that accompany the structure) are purposely built to be higher than church steeples; they are signs of superiority.
The Qu’ran and the hadiths are the embodiment of Sha’ria law. THEY ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH FREE PEOPLE, FREE MARKETS, AND PLURALISM.
bg, I know you admire Zuhdi Jasser. While there are a few moderate muslims, there is no moderate Islam.
December 16th, 2009 | 6:39 pm | #89
[...] Read more at gatewaypundit.firstthings.com [...]
December 16th, 2009 | 6:39 pm | #90
$4.85 million? Any stimulus/TARP funds involved?
December 16th, 2009 | 6:47 pm | #91
WTF?! Oh, yeah, this is just history repeating itself, I forgot. Remember Hagia Sofia. http://www.hagiasophiablog.com/mainpage.html
December 16th, 2009 | 6:50 pm | #92
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Radical U.S. Muslim Group Defames Moderate, Defends Fort Hood Attack
[Jasser, a Navy veteran, is a devout Muslim who challenges radical Islamists and advocates a separation between religion and political ideas such as the spread of Shariah law.]
Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser anti- Political
Islam aka: Sharia Law @ 2:42 mark
(or click on Dr. Zuhdi Jasser tab
to zoom ahead to the 2:42 mark)
Q&A with Dr. Zuhdi Jasser
[ In your activism, you've explained how political Islam dominates mosques and institutions of the American Muslim community. Would somebody like Hasan find an ideological home there?
Absolutely. And this is the part that is so difficult to explain, but to me as a Muslim is so easy to understand. Political Islam is an outgrowth of modern secular fascism. In the Middle East, the mosque was the only place you could discuss politics safely, where the government wouldn't touch you, so Islam became politicized. That's the model that the Muslim Brotherhood followed and brought to the United States. They were the ones who built mosques.
This has been a frustrating thing for me as a Muslim activist. Many Muslims disagree with political Islam, but they're not pressured to take on the mosque leadership. So you have discussions in the mosque going far beyond theology and the example of the Prophet; imams use the pulpit, or minbar as it's called in Arabic, to discuss politics. I've sent this over and over again in mosques I've attended.
At the largest mosque in Phoenix, the imam took a picture that CAIR distributed, and made a poster – we think it was doctored – showing an Iraqi lady holding a sign next to an American soldier, saying, "I was knocked up by this soldier." The imam held that up in front of 500 people in the mosque. I later said to him, "Not only is that very offensive to me, but do you realize what you've just done to the minds of students here at Arizona State University by showing them that picture?"
And you wonder how Hasans are created! They go to mosques, they open themselves spiritually to have a conversation with God. And that becomes infiltrated by a deeply anti-American sentiment. This is where you get a guy like Hasan, a very intelligent guy, starting to make the connection between his identity as a Muslim and standing against America. It's no different than Lee Harvey Oswald, who was in the Marines becoming a Marxist. You can't deny that his Marxism played a role in his hatred for this country. ]
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December 16th, 2009 | 6:59 pm | #93
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Ladue Pundit @ 6:37 pm #88
all the more need for an army of Jassers to “reform” Islam..
oh btw, Jasser is certainly not alone, our media has not only been silencing
Obama’s detractors since he was selected to transition US to the NWO, but
numerous Muslims speaking out against Sharia / Political Islam since 9/11
as well..
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December 16th, 2009 | 7:04 pm | #94
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daryl @ 6:22 pm #86
Springtime in Islamberg
[Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.
Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.
Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."
In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.]
Homegrown Jihad : The Terrorist Camps Around The U.S
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December 16th, 2009 | 7:08 pm | #95
I ended up posting something on my page at RS.
Click on my name if you want to see it.
Heh, and I thought we had a problem down here in South Florida with CAIR adopting streets.
Cheers !
December 16th, 2009 | 7:44 pm | #96
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Who Is CAIR?
[In 2007, in the publication Family Security Matters, Jasser wrote that CAIR uses “the protection of religion when the facts are not on their side. They use the discourse of politics when they want to push forth their Islamist agenda with the presumption of speaking for all Muslims. They will delve into the political only on their own terms in both foreign and domestic policy but when they are on the receiving end of political criticism they run for cover under the guise of victimization."
A dispassionate look at CAIR’s public posture
shows that Mr. Jasser’s observations ring true.]
Grand Jury Seeks CAIR Records
[He used his access to take thousands of pages of internal CAIR documents and to make surreptitious recordings of CAIR officials. Citing those records, the book claims that CAIR is part of a conspiracy among groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood "to support violent jihad and undermine law enforcement."
Among the book's specific allegations, CAIR officials grossly exaggerate their membership rolls and the depth of their domestic financial support.
In addition, they actively thwart law enforcement counter-terror investigations. Following the release of the book, four congressional Republicans sought an investigation into the book's claims that CAIR seeks to place interns on committees dealing with the judiciary and homeland security.]
Memo to Louay Safi: We’re not Bashing Muslims, We’re Bashing You
["During the early years of the HLF's operation, HLF raised money and supported HAMAS through a bank account it held with ISNA and NAIT (the North American Islamic Trust) ... Indeed, HLF (under its former name, OLF) operated from within ISNA, in Plainfield. Indiana, where Defendant and [HLF director] Shukri Baker was employed … ISNA checks deposited into the ISNA/NAIT account for the HLF were often made payable to “the Palestinian Mujahadeen.” The original name for the HAMAS military wing … From that ISNA/NAIT account, the HLF sent hundreds of thousands of dollars to HAMAS leader Mousa Abu Marzook; Nadia Elashi (defendant Ghassan Elashi’s cousin and Marzook’s wife), Sheikh Ahmed Yassin’s Islamic Center of Gaza, the Islamic University, and a number of other individuals associated with HAMAS.
In short, evidence introduced during the course of a public trial demonstrates that ISNA and NAIT are indeed co-conspirators/joint venturers, and no relief that the Court can grant would alter the state
of the record in that regard.”]
to be continued..
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December 16th, 2009 | 7:47 pm | #97
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re: bg @ 7:44 pm #96 continued..
The Missed Signal on American Muslim Radicalization
[None of the organizations launched any programming at that point to combat the ideology. That failure helps create a mindset that leads five young students with promising futures to give it all up to jihad, said M. Zuhdi Jasser, executive director of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. Jasser's organization tries to counter the Islamist hue of the "mainstream" national organizations by advocating a strict separation between faith and public policy.
Groups such as CAIR and MPAC have spread a message that America has been at war with Islam since 9/11, he said, rather than emphasizing the country's efforts to improve life for Muslims.
"Unless they're going to do a 180, saying American soldiers are in Afghanistan liberating Muslims ... unless they change the narrative then this thing they're going to do is useless," Jasser said.
The U.S. has failed to counter the narrative, too, Jasser said. He echoed New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman who recently wrote about "The Narrative" that fuels anti-American hostility. More Muslims die from attacks by fellow Muslims than foreign soldiers, he noted, but:
"The Narrative is the cocktail of half-truths, propaganda and outright lies about America that have taken hold in the Arab-Muslim world since 9/11. Propagated by jihadist Web sites, mosque preachers, Arab intellectuals, satellite news stations and books — and tacitly endorsed by some Arab regimes — this narrative posits that America has declared war on Islam, as part of a grand 'American-Crusader-Zionist conspiracy' to keep Muslims down.
Yes, after two decades in which U.S. foreign policy has been largely dedicated to rescuing Muslims or trying to help free them from tyranny — in Bosnia, Darfur, Kuwait, Somalia, Lebanon, Kurdistan, post-earthquake Pakistan, post-tsunami Indonesia, Iraq and Afghanistan — a narrative that says America is dedicated to keeping Muslims down is thriving."
But the comments they made show that the case of the missing students created an opportunity for them to rehabilitate their image. Remember that the FBI cut off CAIR's access outside of criminal investigations due to evidence that it was born of a Hamas support network and that its ties to the terrorist group remain bound. There's also an indication that CAIR is under criminal investigation.]
to be continued..
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December 16th, 2009 | 8:05 pm | #98
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re: bg @ 7:47 pm #97 continued..
Exclusive: When it Comes to Islamist Terror,
An Islamic Problem Needs an Islamic Solution
For almost a decade, American Muslims have seen a growing debate among Muslim communities about the radicalization of Muslims in America and how to combat it. American Islamists groups (CAIR, MPAC, MAS and ISNA, to name a few) hatched from the ideology of the global Muslim Brotherhood and their being given a disproportionate amount of media attention and resources in the U.S. presented their best face of blanket denials and smoothly avoided any acknowledgement of a problem. For eight years since 9/11 American Islamist groups have refused to acknowledge the fact that salafism, Islamism, and other ideologies directly contributed to that radicalization. This year, actually just last week, after an ever increasing string of homegrown Muslim terrorists, and after CAIR was banned from the FBI, the denial finally gave way to a long overdue admission of a problem. Yet, their admission had no analysis whatsoever of the real root cause of Muslim radicalization – political Islam and salafism.
Since its inception in 2003, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD) has been publicly waging a contest of ideas with many of those Islamist organizations that the ideology of Political Islam is at the root of the cancer that threatens American security and the faith of American Muslims. AIFD has long believed that Islamism is the root cause of Muslim radicalization in the U.S. and around the world.
[..]
This is an important change in the rhetoric of CAIR and MPAC. The optimist in me would like to believe that AIFD’s efforts and that of other vocal anti-Islamist Muslims and non-Muslims have forced these organizations to admit that there is an ideological problem in many of our communities. As with alcoholics and drug addicts, admitting that there is a problem is the first step down the path of recovery and reformation. But the cynic and realist in me sees these announcements for what they are: recognition by these groups that their post 9/11 apologetic messaging is not resonating with the general public. To solve the problem, they adapted their messages to co-opt the rhetoric of curbing radicalization.
Just last month, both of these groups were out front in their efforts to decouple faith from the obvious Islamist radicalization of Maj. Nidal Hasan, the perpetrator of the Fort Hood massacre. In October they both were also quick to defame the FBI in the shooting death of Imam Luqman Ameen Abdullah of Detroit, who openly called for an establishment of an Islamic State and opened fire on agents who were coming to arrest him under criminal charges.
While the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, and Reuters trip over themselves to quote Mr. Awad and CAIR, who made themselves into the news of the case of the radicalization of these five men, none seem to be asking them the question that needs to be asked: What will be the structure and substance of your anti-radicalization education campaign and will you confront, renounce, and reform the ideology of Political Islam?
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If the root cause of Muslim radicalization is Islamism (political Islam), what good is any effort at counterterrorism that decouples the religion from terror? How can law enforcement effectively counter terrorism in our country without recognition that Political Islam and its narrative is the core ideology when, at its extreme, drives the general mindset of the extremists carrying out the attacks? When we were fighting communism in the Cold War, we generally understood that, violent or non-violent, those who advocated the communist ideology were part of the problem and not part of the solution whether they were strident Soviets or just idealistic non-violent Marxists. The distinction mattered little and certainly our counterintelligence experts were not using the non-violent Marxists as experts on how to defeat the Soviets.
The truth is that American Islamist organizations must confront all of their connections to political Islam and the similar efforts of other global organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood before they can have any credibility in fighting radicalization. By hurling themselves face first into the middle of this current homegrown case, CAIR and MPAC may have inadvertently begun to more definitively expose their own ideology – Islamism.
[..]
Time will reveal the details of the story of these five Muslims. In the meantime, we cannot allow our collective intelligence as a nation to be insulted. Radicalization of American Muslims is real and the root cause is political Islam and its separatist, supremacist teachings. Until Muslims can reform our ideas against the growing power of the Islamist movement, homegrown terror will only increase. Now over eight years since 9/11, the Islamist narrative is growing with hardly a measurable war of ideas within the Islamic consciousness promoting liberty over Islamism, freedom over theocracy, and one secular law over Sharia law.]
Amen..
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December 16th, 2009 | 8:14 pm | #99
It is in your face alright But they are so confident that they will take over the US that they are spending that kind of money just to let us know they are here to stay and eventually out country will be under their laws. This is also the reason that Obama is in your face in everything he is doing..Our congress is null and void anymore, there is no longer three branches of government, just one the executive branch as the congress and the supreme court are in Obama’s pocket..It is a disgrace but until someone stands up and impeaches this bunch and takes control of our system of government according to the constitution, we are in a mess and will not go forward as a christian nation.. PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS AND OUR COUNTRY.. God is the only answer.
December 16th, 2009 | 8:35 pm | #100
God bless ya, bg.
December 16th, 2009 | 9:05 pm | #101
1099 – 622 = 477
To the grade A moron who said the crusades were a response to 700 years of Islamic whatever when Islam didn’t even exist 700 years before… LEARN SOME BLOODY MATH!
Or is math too Islamic for you?
December 16th, 2009 | 10:02 pm | #102
A what if question … someone took a plane and ran it into this mosque during Friday prayers … just wondering how they would feel then
December 16th, 2009 | 10:05 pm | #103
I can’t put down here what I want to happen to this mosque.
December 16th, 2009 | 10:28 pm | #104
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Pirx the Pilot @ 9:05 pm #101
you seem boggled down by/with numbers.. you also seem to infer that
math is strictly “Islamic”.. do some research, you can start with the History of Zero &/or History of Mathematics..
Islamic Crusades: An Introduction
Timeline of the Islamic Crusades
Crusades-Encyclopedia
Imperial History of the Middel East
History of Religion
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December 16th, 2009 | 10:30 pm | #105
Well, obama does need a place to worship on his date nights in New York.
December 16th, 2009 | 10:54 pm | #106
[...] more from the original source: Mysterious Group Buys Building Next to Ground Zero For Mosque Share this [...]
December 16th, 2009 | 11:14 pm | #107
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Kenny Solomon @ 7:08 pm #95
[The brand new custom-made tin-foil-hat I have says that maybe only one or two of the peace-loving gents involved with this as ‘owners of record’ are American Citizens…. which makes this mosque perfectly OK to exist and serve it’s members as a house of worship.
Doesn’t make it right…. just legal.]
that’s the stealth Muslim Brotherhood Project way, can’t beat them join
them, then buy & sue them out of everything they own..
btw.. didn’t know CAIR was adopting streets in Fla.. *sigh*
i also recall reading the article you linked to..
[The source of money matters as a significant part of the hundreds of mosques being built and already erected in this country double up as cultural Islamic centers for distributing literature-- Islamist propaganda in fact—from Bay Ridge Brooklyn to Detroit, and for schooling growing Muslim minorities. They house Imams of unknown origin and education, many of whom do not speak a word of English but preach in Arabic and Urdu -- radical messages, it often turns out.
As a reporter familiar with the Arab communities of the USA, I doubt the faithful fork out all that money for mega mosques, and if they did, the mayor’s office should prove it, not merely accept someone’s say so. It is an established fact that a significant percentage of the mosques built in the USA in the past two decades are receiving a disproportionate amount of their funds not only from the Saudis, but also the UAE, Qatar and Iran -- all problematic Islamists activist nations. The government just discontinued work on a major Iranian-funded mosque and center in New York City, which had operated under the radar since the days of the good old Shah of Iran under the auspices of the Pahlavi Foundation, and has beenowned since 1979 by the Mullahs of Iran.]
had the same sort of problem with building a mosque in MA..
["Our concern was with the leadership, and the ties that that leadership had, it seemed, to terrorism and the teaching of hatred," Jacobs said. He said he has ongoing concerns about the Islamic Society of Boston and the Muslim American Society, both of which, he says, have expressed extremist views. He said "it's been estimated that 80 percent of mosques are radicalized" but that "it's very difficult for American citizens to speak about these things, because they don't want to be labeled as bigots or Islamophobes, so that has allowed these connections to go much unspoken and unreported."...
CAIR, of course, is an unindicted co-conspirator in a jihad terror funding case. It is a spinoff of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), which is listed in that same 1991 Muslim Brotherhood memorandum on strategy in the U.S. as part of its "grand jihad." Several CAIR officials have been arrested and convicted on terror-related charges, and one of its founders has made Islamic supremacist statements, hoping that one day the Qur'an would be the only law of the land in America. But the Globe, of course, mentions none of this.]
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December 16th, 2009 | 11:16 pm | #108
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Sojourner @ 8:35 pm #100
aww, thanks,
God bless you too..
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December 16th, 2009 | 11:24 pm | #109
Muslims have money, therefore, they have power. For some reason, the U.S., which has enough oil to provide for all its needs, doesn’t want to utilize their own resources, but choose to spend billions making Islamic countries rich. Saudia Arabia is funding the spread of Islam throughout Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. because they have the monies to do so. Does anyone actually believe it is just a coincidence that the democrats refuse to allow the U.S. to provide their own energy and would rather send billions to nations who hate and seek to destroy her with the same?
December 16th, 2009 | 11:28 pm | #110
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Mary @ 10:30 pm #105
re: [Well, obama does need a place to
worship on his date nights in New York.]
which begs the question..
anyone know the name of the “church” the Obama’s attend??
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December 16th, 2009 | 11:31 pm | #111
Islam does not separate religion and state – they are one in the same. Jasser cannot reform Islam. I cannot see how a devout Muslim can think he can reform what Muslims consider the words of Allah.
December 16th, 2009 | 11:44 pm | #112
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Joanne @ 11:31 pm #111
nothing personal, but what do you suggest, that he STFU & not even try??
and like i said, he is not alone.. and as long as there are Jasser’s
in this world, they will get my support in spreading the truth..
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is
for good men to do nothing.” ~ Edmund Burke
btw, i believe Christianity had a reformation, was that
because everything was so honky dory within the religion??
how about the Bible, didn’t that need
a re-write aka: The New Testament??
as for me, i used to be quite religious, and truly applaud others who
are.. but i personally do not believe in “religion”, i believe in God..
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December 17th, 2009 | 12:03 am | #113
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while this may not be the end all, it’s certainly INSPIRING..
(Turban) has lost its luster, and some Islamists
came under the robes of liberals and independents
[He points out that "the Iraqi people can not be misled, it gives voice to those who know the man is the true religion faith authentic". وكانت نتائج الانتخابات الأخيرة لمجالس المحافظات أثبتت تراجع تأثير الأحزاب الدينية في الناخبين. The results of the recent elections for provincial councils have indicated a decline in the influence of religious parties, the electorate.
يقول المحلل السياسي مجيد العبيدي: "جربنا حكم الأحزاب الدينية، وأوصلتنا إلى حروب مذهبية". Political analyst Majid al-Obeidi: "We have tried the rule of religious parties, and brought us to the sectarian wars." ويشير الى أن "الانتخابات العراقية مثلت هزيمة كبرى لإيران التي أرادت أن تسيطر الأحزاب الشيعية على الجنوب لتحويله إلى دويلة شيعية، وأفرزت الانتخابات جيلاً جديداً من الساسة بينهم كثير من الشباب الذين عاشوا في بلادهم وليس في المنفى وجذورهم محلية، ولا تربطهم علاقة بالولايات المتحدة". He points out that "the Iraqi elections marked a major defeat for Iran, which wants to control the Shiite parties in the south to turn it into a Shiite mini-state, the elections produced a new generation of politicians, including many young people who lived in the country, not in exile, and local roots, and have a relationship with the United States."]
translation via an Iraqi (pardon spelling errors/typos):
The turban and the religious signs have lost their
shines in Iraq and will show in the next Election.
People have tried the leaders of those sectarian religions, both Sunni and Shia and have been dissapointed and are now determined to get rid of them, in the next Parliamnetary Elections.
The country folks however, are still mainly illiterate and will obey the Imam, the shaikh- religious- and the Sayyed- who claim decentdants of the prophit. Which has led the secular parties to enlist them with loads of cash and other inducements to work for them.
People are now fed up with them and will vote for the Liberals- secular groups- The records of the present leaders are not up to scratch and will not be elected next year.
Let us hope we will have technocrates to run
the Country, separate the State from religion.
As for the Kurds, their influence will wain and possibly just be lost as the Arabs , both Sunnis and Shias have woken up and discovered their twisted and selfish games.
Good luck Iraq, and remain free and democratic.
Kind regards
Hameed Abid
who can say what time shall bring for certain??
i mean, did anyone in their right mind seriously believe that the US would be on the brink (as far as historical times go at any rate) of turning into an IslaMarxist nation, never mind being forcibly transitioned into a ONE WORLD ORDER 10 years ago (well, aside from me anyways.. :D)??
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December 17th, 2009 | 12:13 am | #114
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Muslims for reformation of Islam
bottom line even though Obama has tainted
the word forever.. there’s always HOPE!! :)
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December 17th, 2009 | 1:15 am | #115
Joanne
December 16th, 2009 | 11:24 pm | #109
Does anyone actually believe it is just a coincidence that the Democrats refuse to allow the U.S. to provide its own energy and would rather send billions to nations who hate and seek to destroy her with the same?
GOOD question–and one we should be articulating to everyone from our elected representatives to our neighbors, co-workers and friends.
“Drill, baby, drill” turns out to be a lot more than a cute campaign slogan, doesn’t it?
December 17th, 2009 | 1:21 am | #116
“bg
December 16th, 2009 | 7:04 pm | #94 ”
I watched the video about the camps here and it is scary stuff. There was an attempt to blow up a high rise in Houston not too long ago. I see there is a camp in Tx. Don’t they know Texans will shoot first and ask questions later?
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December 17th, 2009 | 2:32 am | #117
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spayandneuter @ 1:21 am #116
newsflash:
Farouk Shami For Texas Governor
not saying he’s an Islamist, but i still bet he wasn’t vetted.. Ellison and
Carson weren’t either; come to think on it, neither was Obama; oops!!
not to mention all the Marxists that have
wriggled their way up the chain.. *sigh*
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December 17th, 2009 | 6:49 am | #118
MUST MUST READ !! Muslim Mafia,The Islamic Anti-Christ.www.islamrevealed.com . Like it or not,Sharia Law IS coming to YOUR town if you don’t wake the heck UP!!!!!
December 17th, 2009 | 7:56 am | #119
I agree with the others…only in crazy America could this happen…if Americans killed almost 3000 Iranians, they would NEVER be allowed to construct even a popsicle stand in Iran; AND Iranians wouldn’t care about “politically correct” crap…This country has leaders with no b-lls, no brain and no love for our heritage and above all our Constitution. In fact I would say we’re leaderless….We’ve just got a bunch a crooks that are out for themselves only, whether Democrats or Republicans…
A mosque near ground Zero??? this is ludicrous!
December 17th, 2009 | 8:21 am | #120
Joanne
December 16th, 2009 | 11:31 pm | #111
Islam does not separate religion and state – they are one in the same. Jasser cannot reform Islam. I cannot see how a devout Muslim can think he can reform what Muslims consider the words of Allah.
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bg
December 16th, 2009 | 11:44 pm | #112
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Joanne @ 11:31 pm #111
nothing personal, but what do you suggest, that he STFU & not even try??
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You weren’t asking me but that’s exactly what I suggest he do. You’ve read English translations of the Koran, bg. You should know as well as anyone here that the purpose of Islam or the Muslim religion is world domination, to kill all non-Muslims and to take what was theirs, to kill all hypocrites (aka Moderate Muslims) not only because they can’t be trusted to kill and loot from all non-Muslims but because without the orders from the pedophile, warlord Mohammed, there is no Islam and no Muslim religion. The only cure for Islam and the Muslim religion (which actually should be called the cult of Islam) is the elimination of it. From a lesser objective, Christian point of view, the cult can be nothing more than demon inspired as it teaches its followers to lie, steal, murder, rape, and plunder.
Either Jassar is practicing taqyah (sp) or he knows less about Islam and the Koran than I do. Take your pick and either way, he should just stfu until he’s ready to denounce Islam and his cult of death.
PS: Thank you for responding to the troll who challenged my memory for dates. I suppose that since it was only 500 years of persecution, the Crusaders should have stayed home for a couple centuries more. F*cking idiotic troll.
December 17th, 2009 | 8:48 am | #121
The freedoms upon which the USA was founded are being TWISTED AND PERVERTED to accomodate the interests and intentions of the Islamic state for it’s further mission of ownership and control in capitalistic fashion…….There are only 2 ( two ) powers for mankind ( 1. ) political power ( money and influence ) ( 2. ) spiritual power ( religion and influence )..To bind these two together is the ABSOLUTE POWER OF OPPRESSION…Since the beginning of recorded history the EGO AND VANITY OF SOME GROUPS HAVE CAUSED GREATEST DESTRUCTION AND MISERY UPON OTHERS….Any group who proposes MURDER AND WAR IN THE NAME OF A PROPHET IS EVIL INCARNATE..THOSE THAT LIVE BY THE SWORD SHALL DIE BY THE SWORD….
December 17th, 2009 | 9:35 am | #122
Apparently, you guys can’t tolerate a comparison to the Ustase for wanting genocide.
December 17th, 2009 | 10:28 am | #123
“bg
December 17th, 2009 | 2:32 am | #117 ”
Texas is like California regarding elections, you never know who is going to crawl out of the woodwork to run. There’s a cigar smoking guy named Kinky (no, I’m not kidding) Friedman who always runs too. But usually no porn stars. LOL
I actually had not even heard of Farouk until the ads started on tv. Kay Bailey Hutchinson is running and she is probably the strongest cantidate.
Texas still runs on the “good ole boy’s system”, so it would be nice to shatter that. The Texas Supreme Court is a joke, owned by the insurance industry.
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